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"Atheism" Is Not Real

You Cant See it, Touch it, Feel it or show it to anyone else. No one can prove that they don't believe in God. Because we cant see the contents of a persons mind, or their faith. There is a possibility that they are hiding their belief in God or Afraid to admit it publicly.

Calvin

16 Aug 2008 21:06

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Balance_92, by saying that GOD is something (anything) you are admitting that it exist.
You admit that He is In Your Drawing
You admitted that he is in people's Art
You admitted he is an imaginary friend
You admit that he is Nothing (which agrees with the bible) Alpha Omega, Beginning and the end Smallest of the Smallest )
Actually I think you have more faith in God than other people that I've met who have claimed to be Atheist.

Calvin

17 Aug 2008 22:23

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Dude.
You're missing a point.
By aknowledging something.
You take away the need to believe.
And without belief what is God?
You're completely missing my arguements out.

ScottyRAWR

17 Aug 2008 23:13

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also calvin:
"Balance_92, by saying that GOD is something (anything) you are admitting that it exist." He never said god was something. he was going to your level to make it more understandable to you. If he had kept it to his own level i'm sure he would have said things such as This being which is unproven to exist and is believed in with only faith doesn't exist. What your doing is trying to twist his words into something he didn't say and then throwing accusing words at him, lawyerish much?

"You admit that He is In Your Drawing"
He admits that to explain that he doesnt exist he must go to your level to make it understandable to you or else it would lose the point to proof he doesnt exist to you.

"You admitted that he is in people's Art
You admitted he is an imaginary friend" 
In peoples art? Whats your point hes also in the bible. Since the bible exists does that make him exist? Well by that theory so does every other magic creature that was ever written down.
"imaginary" what's that you say? imaginary? Wait that means that its made up. GASP!!! hippogryphs dragons and other magic creatures are imaginary does that make them real?

"You admit that he is Nothing (which agrees with the bible) Alpha Omega, Beginning and the end Smallest of the Smallest )" 
How does that agree with the bible? The bible says that he is everything and that he created everything.
We can neither proof his existence as we can not prove his creating the universe. I also fail to understand what you mean by smallest of the smallest as even if its the smallest of the smallest it woudl still have to exist which contradicts the whole he is nothign thing.

"Actually I think you have more faith in God than other people that I've met who have claimed to be Atheist." 
How does he? You have given no evidence of his belief you have just thrown around accusations.

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I agree, but you could also say that people who do have a religion may not truly believe it, they may just fear death. I think Con_Lies said it pretty well.

verum

17 Aug 2008 04:01

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I like the irony of your point. Yes it's true, we really can't prove God exists, but likewise we really can't prove we don't believe in God either. Like has been said before "there are no atheists in a foxhole".

Grenache

17 Aug 2008 02:40

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Technically you're right on Calvin. I like the argument. Seeing the "athiests" squirm is kinda fun.

I'll take it a step further. Atheism is not real, because everyone instinctually believes in something. A proclaimed atheist represents the apex of arrogance. They believe in only their own experience and refuse to acknowledge experience other than their own (however they always reserve the right to take ownership if another's experience suits a personal agenda). Claiming to be an Atheist is exactly the same as claiming to be God.

In the end, I don't think anyone truly wants that responsibility

Cons_Lies

17 Aug 2008 01:36

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Now that's, a powerful statement...

Calvin

17 Aug 2008 01:41

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"People can't prove they don't believe in 'god'?"

By the same argument, you can't prove that you don't want to molest children or rape animals. And you can't prove otherwise.

09 Nov 2008 09:43

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You don't have to prove a belief in order to believe. You don't have to prove that you believe in God or not. The belief is in the individual.

This debate is like saying you can't prove you like football so therefore there the feeling of enjoying football does not exist.

Specter87

18 Oct 2008 00:57

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I can prove to myself I believe my beliefs, whatever they might be, which is the only useful province for a ‘proof’ in the matter of belief. Or more simply put you must take it or leave it on ‘faith’ when someone claims to be an Athiest. As to whether Athiesm is real; well as a belief it is as real as any human thought or memory, which is completely and not at all. I understand the point you are making but by your statement the word real must lack any useful definition in the area of beliefs or all beliefs are not real.

finsch

18 Aug 2008 15:40

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Athiests lack a belief in religion.
No they aren't missing one.
They lack one.
It's the base form.
It's like taking a perfectly round rock
Now this is the base and by adding things on to it it changes.
Now lets assume religion is one of these spikes.
Religious people are the round rocks with a spike jutting out.
Athiests are the perfectly round rock.
We lack a spike but we dont need that spike either.
"You Cant See it, Touch it, Feel it or show it to anyone else. No one can prove that they don't believe in God."
Theists cant see god, cant touch god, cant feel god, but can make up human fetishes that they say resembles god. No one can either prove that a theist can prove they have no doubts in god.

"There is a possibility that they are hiding their belief in God or Afraid to admit it publicly" interchangable between theists and athiests.

Its just complete religious egotism to assume that someone has to believe in god.
I cant prove god doesn't exist and you know why?
Because i can't prove he does either.
There's no proof for his inexistence because theirs no proof for his existence.
It is impossible by religious standards to disprove anything doesn't exist. Because even if it doesn't exist i still cant show it doesn't exist. And thus i cant show whether or not i fully lack a belief in god. But theists can neither prove that they don't have doubts in god for the exact opposite reason. They believe he exists but they cant prove it.

Smito

17 Aug 2008 17:52

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Remarkable post -- I'm, not even going to bother answering on this debate; You've said all I could ever say.

Jaz

10 Sep 2008 00:39

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This is too ridiculous to give a serious reply. Exactly the same could be said about a theist. Except an athiest wouldn't need to clutch at straws in the same fashion.

Mosschops

17 Aug 2008 17:18

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You are in conflict with your own standards. You stated that this is too ridiculous to give a reply but yet you gave one.

This is what People who claim to be atheist do they lie. They Actually Do believe in God but yet they say they don't.

You have obviously proven that this debate is not too ridiculous to give a reply hence you should know what I mean when I say Atheism doesn't exist.

Calvin

17 Aug 2008 19:14

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By the same reasoning that Calvin bases the premise of this debate on, no other form of belief system exists either because they too can also not be shown to anyone else any more than atheism can be.

Hizashi

17 Aug 2008 02:02

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And yet, in the end, everyone believes in something.

Cons_Lies

17 Aug 2008 02:06

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The statements you just made don’t match the premise of your debate’s description. In your description you attempted to claim that atheism was not real under the principle that it cannot be “shown” (a word you left undefined) to anyone else and that no one can “prove” (another word you left undefined) that they don’t believe in a god. Under the same circumstances, other belief systems, such as theism and agnosticism, can also not be “shown” to anyone else, nor can one “prove” to anyone else that they believe in a god anymore than a person can “prove” to others that they don’t. On another note, convincing someone that something is true does not make it so, no matter what the case is. Overall, you strayed far away from what your debate’s description spoke of. With the logic you used to draw the conclusion about atheism, you failed to realize that it applies to every other form of belief system as well, since, after all, none of those other beliefs can be “shown” to anyone else due to the fact that “we cant see the contents of a persons mind, or their faith”. I think you might need to either reexamine your debate’s description or revise it all together.

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I'm not using high school style debating techniques.  This is Street debating and what you will find out here is that the same rules and courtesy don't always apply. Street philosophy comes with a lot of junk you have to sort through. and sometimes a point is proven by disproving it. Logical "High school" philosophy suggest to follow a logical pattern but this is do or die out here. Usually in philosophy people are trying to defend that which they stand for and the opponent does the same. If I were to give it a name I would call it "Reverse Philosophy." You obviously don't really see what I'm actually debating and what my point really is. This debate is in reverse it is all about what I did not say.

This is a way to judge the dimension of your opponents imagination and to see if their minds are operating on a broad scope looking at all possible and parallel implications of the given statement or if they have a one track mind.

So please don't get too intoxicated with the exuberance of your own verbosity

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