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You Get Further In Life Lying And Being Clever Than Being Honest, Honorable, Moral And Just.
Nice guys finish last, (so much for ambition when your a goody goody), dog eat dog, (what a waste of time sharing and being considerate). Leopards never change there spots, (so much for hope in humanity), the bird in your hand can be used to spring a nice trap for the two in the bush. (Gratitude is better served when self served).
 Bacchus  20 Jun 2008 17:53
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It depends. By "further in life," you must mean in material things that don't last or matter much in the big picture (money, stuff, career).
It's actually a stupid thing to use your wit for evil. An afterlife makes sense "if" God is just. That is the big picture: Eternity.
 
 Stranger  08 Oct 2008 17:00
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 I here you, but is self preservation and satisfaction evil, is peace of mind material, most might disagree.
by  Bacchus
 08 Oct 2008 17:40
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Only if you do it well.
 
 Snipex  23 Jul 2008 21:06
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 Maybe that's just it, Maybe no one is really good at the moral approach, and that's why it's to no avail.
by  Bacchus
 24 Jul 2008 04:36
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One need only look at those who are successful to see that those who steal, cheat and lie to get ahead generally do get ahead. This is because they are willing to do anything for these goals. The problem with this is that justice will be metered out after death by God. So whilst they may get further in this life they are heading for a fall in the next one.
 
 pjh304  08 Jul 2008 17:12
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 How do we know this to be true and accurate, no one has ever come back to report this to be accurate or incorrect.
Maybe we are supposed to get the best out of life based on what ever our psyche deems this to be.
by  Bacchus
 09 Jul 2008 01:32
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It is true, with the proviso that these individuals also run a much greater risk of a disastrous fall.
 
 OzzieMan  20 Jun 2008 18:33
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C v;s are a perfect way to to lie and cheat and muck everyone who is true and honest for the job
 
 kvgrim7  20 Jun 2008 18:12
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No.

I see no actual purpose in this view of the way Man interacts, that "Deceitfulness"(lying) is in one's best Interests.
That "Good Guys finish last" is Nhilism/Fatalistic more or less......

I think that everyone has somewhat equal chance to make something of themselves and to create some kind of a life worthwhile having for themselves.

Its a matter of attitude and perception.
 
 Scorpion  25 Jul 2008 02:42
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 You have a strong degree of obvious logic in your debate here.
by  Bacchus
 08 Oct 2008 17:42
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Depends on what you mean by further. I never was much tempted by having nicer stuff at the cost of losing my ability to look in the mirror. I also think you can be honest, honorable, moral, just, and clever.
 
 finsch  20 Jun 2008 21:39
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 I mean you aren't on this planet alone,
and people will weigh you
down even loved ones. Everyone needs help and helping others may help you.
Why not make the best of every situation. Not everyone do well by doing good. You don't have to be better than, but everyone likes to be comfortable.
by  Bacchus
 20 Jun 2008 23:12
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It's more of a balance you can get through life with either or, being one thing or another. To do it right though you don't have to lie and be clever, you can be completely honest and still be clever, for example JigSaw from the Saw series. He used honesty, with a combination of cleverness and it worked fine, but that's beside the point, just throwing it out there. You can get further in life by being honest by gaining trust and living with moral more people can and will follow you. Besides, I'm saying it's more of a balance, than just one side.
 
 Genkaku  20 Jun 2008 19:19
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 That being the case, you can be honest and self centred, honest and evil, honest, or clever and all of the above.
You can gain the trust of competitors and than crush them or bypass them.
All the while still staying on one side of the fence.
by  Bacchus
 20 Jun 2008 19:50
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