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Ever since we realized we were allowed to think... |
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Get used to it. It's been this way ever since people could disagree. Now more than ever. By
attacking, it might be questioning. That is fine. Attacking it because you think it's wrong seems
fine too. |
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It is and it always has been. |
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It's the Devils work. |
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I think there is growing feeling among many Americans that we have suffered more than enough attacks
from religion and are exercising our right and obligation as Americans to remove religion from
government and the public discourse. Religion belongs in the church and in the hearts and homes of
those that chose to accept it there. I know that as an American I have suffered everything from
unasked for sermons to Holy Roller rants and had to defend religious attempts to curtail my rights
politically and culturally. So as far as religion being under attack I say, don’t start no stuff,
won’t be no stuff. |
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To the person with the evolution comment...
As one friend put it...let us take a functioning watch apart, put all of the parts in a shoebox and
shake up the shoebox. I am sure in a few hundred million years, that watch will magically come
together and be fully functional again, all on its own. You would have to be a real idiot to believe
that something came from nothing, and if it didn't how did IT become SO in the FIRST place??
Hmmmm.... |
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Cannot be forced to believe? You cannot be elected to high public office in this country without
professing belief in an imaginary friend, you can be fired and subject to job discrimination, you
can be socially outcast, etc. What are you talking about?
The reality is, religion harms society by retarding social, scientific and ethical progress. It's
responsible for the AIDS epidemic in Africa. It's responsible for the anti-gay sentiment in
America. Religion really is at the heart of most social ills and the religious are too deluded to
see it.
If that counts as being under attack, let me be the first one to favor attacking religion. |
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If there are still people who believe that men have one rib less than women, that Noah's Ark was
real and the displaying of blatant ignorance of evolution in debates about chickens and eggs, then
yes, it should be attacked. |
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I agree religion is always under attack. However, I've actually stood under the Dome of St. Peters,
walked through that Vatican vaults, viewed the great wealth of treasures enclosed. I've also seen
how these treasures draw in the crowds, and how lucrative they are to the Catholic church. I have
heard people say it's disgusting the amount of wealth the Catholic Church has, when there is so much
poverty in the world. However, I've not heard many people say, the wealth that comes into the
catholic church is then distributed out to fund far out-reach missionaries, to aid and support those
in poverty. To Fund, aid, and help those in need throughout the world. Maybe, it's those same people
who selfishly say : "he's\'she's left all her money to the catholic church, must be mad, wouldn't
you have thought she would have given us some?" who are the evil backstabbers where religion is
concerned, and it is them that should be ashamed of themselves. The Pope made a great statement
during his Christmas midnight mass: "when you give at Christmas, do not give only to those who will
give to you in return, but give to those who receive from no one, and, who cannot give you anything
back." Maybe, if people open up their eyes, and perceived religion for what it really is, and what
it's meant to millions of people in need throughout the world, then they wouldn't attack it so
heavily. People who attack religion, are crying out in desperation, something is missing in their
life, a feeling of belonging, companionship. An establishment like the Roman Catholic Church, and
other religious organisations that do so much good throughout the world should be respected, not
attacked. |
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Of course religion is under attack. Religion is attacking science in the schools; did it think there
would be no response? |
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Judaeo? Please. What role did Jews play in early America?
Religion is under attack and deserves to be under attack. It is under attack by perfectly reasonable
people for perfectly good reasons. These reasons relate to the practical damage that religion causes
to the world. We look at the terrorist incidents caused by religious fanaticism. We see an excessive
and immoral response to them, inspired in part by religious fanaticism.
We see religious fanatics retarding the progress of science and fostering bigotry based on their
interpretion of ancient, supposedly magically-inspired texts.
All of these consequences of religion are real and concrete and pose practical problems for everyone
who is not religious. If the religious simply kept themselves to themselves, and practised their
superstitions in secret, very few atheists would care about religion enough to bother attacking it.
But you just won't shut up about it, will you? You want to club everyone else over the head with
your magic stick? Everyone's else's children just have to be dumbed down to your level. No evolution
for you, little kiddie. Let's have some unintelligent design instead. |
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Religion is the most evil thing created by man. |
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All christian extremists such as yourself are like aryan supremacist skinhead. Your type goes
around harassing and intimidating people. Then as soon as someone defends themselves against your
insults and assault, you commit egregious acts of violence and call it "self defense".
If you keep your religion in your house and church, you'll never hear a peep of criticism. Your lie
is that you are being discriminated against when it is you who is trying to force religion where it
doesn't belong: Schools, government and the public square. If you want to swallow the lies, you
have every right, but don't expect to force anyone else to swallow them too. |
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 K9 18 Jul 2008 19:14
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Wrong. A) The Christian right was a major force behind electing Bush, Republicans, and
ultraconservatives, and those elected have systematically imposed religious morality issues on the
whole public. That makes resisting the Christian right fair game, and not just on a religious
vantage but also a political one. B) I'm so sick of Christians taking credit for the whole of the
founding fathers and early American history. An astounding variety of nationalities, ethnicities,
and religious and non-religious peoples were involved in our earliest days and it cheapens the input
of those people when you boil it down to Christians made this country great. C) The rampant
pedophile abuse of children by church officials (and not just in the Catholics) is ample reason for
us to flog religion. The wounds are far from healed. And finally d) If the religious are truely
secure in the strength of their conviction, in turning the other cheek, in love and tolerance, then
questions or criticism from non-Christians shouldn't phase them at all. You only hate hearing the
attacks because really they make pretty good points. And as much as you'd like all the
non-Christians to see the light and start going to church you have no interest whatsoever in fully
testing your own belief and possibly ending up with the choice that you are no longer Christian. |
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Well actually even originally America was the place of free religion think of the pilgrims who were
suffering discrimination in England for practicing their religion and came to America. America
wasn't built by the Christians/Jews/atheists it was built by freedom. |
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