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I have been reading certain shout boxes of my macroevolutionary opponents and see that they encourage each other to be strong "in the faith," building each other up. We all tend to get together with those who believe the same as us and ridicule the opposition to reinforce ourselves.
 Stranger  23 Apr 2008 20:48
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That's the way to go, not too sure about for worse though...;-)
 
 joe9  07 Nov 2008 10:23
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Yes that is how organized religion works.

In fact I even go as far as to say that is how any affiliation works.

A married couple will agree with each other even though they once held quite differing beliefs.
 
 keepmindok  18 Aug 2008 23:16
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I don't know that ridicule is all that helpful, and it tends to display weakness, pettiness and arrogance.

However, yeah it is natural to protect that which you hold dear.

I get bored by the "you're wrong i'm right" stuff, but when there is intelligent discourse i am interested.
 
 innomen  24 Apr 2008 18:27
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 Hey. Did you know that someone around here thinks or thought that you and I are one and the same? Let's talk and keep them wondering :?)
The question mark is a nose and the dot on the face's right side is a mole.
That's one of the first times I've ever used a smiley face like that.
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by  Stranger
 24 Apr 2008 20:38
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Agreed.

The term bias is an interesting one. Most of us have a strong sense of "psychological bias", that is hopefully a degree of certainty in having a position on something that is based on the fact that we have looked and perhaps thought about the issue. If we don't develop a degree of certainty than why study anything? If we have a "psychological bias" on something then it makes alot of sense to "hang around" people who have a similar view on the issue. (unless one loves to debate!!).

Now, there is also "rational bias". This is how stuck we are in our viewpoints. That is, are we able to hear evidence that is contrary to what we previously thought we knew, that might have a bearing on the degree of certainty we have on a given issue. Some are really closed in this regard and some are better at it; although, I admit, it is at times quite hard to do. Have you ever changed your mind on an issue? If you have, that probably represents some degree of "rational nonbias". Sometimes I deliberately try to say to myself: I'm quite certain about this issue, BUT I COULD BE WRONG! (I could be better at reminding myself of this!
 
 charlee  24 Apr 2008 17:55
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I would have to agree with you. For once. It is natural to be happy to be right and feel daft when you are wrong.

That said I know this post is in reference to me and I maintain that if I had some feasible evidence to show that I was wrong I would happily change my mind. I have done on many subjects since I was your age. You will too. But it is much much harder for someone so heavily influenced by religion and how it dictates their lives to admit they are wrong. You will fight tooth and nail to the last, even fall back on the faith thing, rather than face having to change your whole lifestyle. The same does not apply to me. I would eat a little humble pie and that is it.
 
 StBalders  23 Apr 2008 21:43
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 Well done for seeing that I was referring to you (and others, really). The explanation gave it away somewhat, though.
I agree that "it is much much harder for someone so heavily influenced by religion and how it dictates their lives to admit they are wrong." Since the Big Bang idea and macroevolution require faith, they are like religion. Apply what you said to them and it fits. It takes faith to believe in the unseen, but I admit I have faith in my unseen deity. Those who believe in unseen and unproven macroevolution and the unseen and unproven BB do not admit that they have faith for them, for the most part. So, alas, you have not yet eaten humble pie. I don't want to make you humble. I want you to accept the truth. The foundation is creation. Upon that is the message of salvation through Yahshua for you all. By the way, some of the evidence is in your shoutbox (if it's still there. It is about fossils) and in many of the debates with you folks. If you want me to repeat, then I will.
by  Stranger
 23 Apr 2008 23:11
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Unfortunately true. People are often more interested in how their beliefs make them feel than if their beliefs are factually true. That's why they turn to other similarly-minded people for comfort and support instead of simply going where the evidence leads. It's likely a society-building evolutionary trait which brings people who may tend to cooperate and have similar beliefs together, but it's hardly rational.

Something that is true, is true, no matter how it makes you feel. Something that is false, is false, likewise. The world doesn't exist to give you warm fuzzies, it's up to you to deal with the reality that actually exists, not the reality you wish was real.
 
 Cephus  23 Apr 2008 21:32
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Yes, i'd agree with that. Everyone is guilty of that to an extent - some more so than others. I suppose its just natural human behaviour.
 
 sensai80  23 Apr 2008 20:53
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