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Turkey Should Not Be Admitted To The European Union
Turkey is not a European country, not by geography and not by culture. It has no place in the European Union. The very idea is absurd and should be killed off right away.
 Hidell  31 Jul 2008 18:45
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They are just not european
 
 john203  28 Jun 2009 22:31
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I completely agree. If they have some of the worst human rights, the way things are going they are heading towards letting them be a member. So it will be one rule for us, and hope they change eventually. Sounds a bit fishy.
 
 keepmindok  31 Jul 2008 21:55
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 Before Christmas;-)
by  keepmindok
 24 Jan 2009 08:46
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Like it or not, the cult of Christianity has shaped European civilisation, creating similarities in the outlook of people in different European countries, even when the practise of the superstition has ceased or only continues half-heartedly. Turkey's culture has not been shaped in the same way. Turks belong and have belonged to a different cult, and superstition is still much stronger there than it is in most parts of Europe. Witness the Islamic party which holds an ascendancy of political power there and is gradually trying to implement the re-Islamicisation of the country.

This cultural difference would perhaps be insignificant if Turkey was a small country. But it is not. It is a huge country. With Europe's population expected to decline, and Turkey's expected to rise, within a few decades, if Turkey was admitted to the EU, it could comprise something like one third or one fourth of the EU's total population. Think how that would stymie agreement on a wide range of different issues, with so many people coming from an alien culture, still indulging in primitive prejudices such as antipathy to women and homosexuals. If the European Union becomes more democratic, politicians will be forced to pander to those prejudices.

Supporters of Turkey's admission say they approve of the Ataturk project - the plan to secularise an Islamic country - and want to see it succeed. Millions of Turks desperately dream of being admitted to Europe, they point out. Who cares? The European Union is not a charitable institution. It should not admit new members on the basis that the new members will benefit from being in the EU. Of course they would benefit from being in the EU. Who wouldn't? The criteria for admission should be whether the EU will benefit from the new member, not the other way around.

The European Union is potentially a strong world power. If there was a single president with authority over foreign and military affairs, the European Union would potentially be the strongest power in the world. It has the largest economy of any country in the world. Ultimately, economic strength is what informs political power.

Of course, the EU emerging as an independent force in world affairs is something the Americans and their Canadian lackeys do not want to see. They prefer to keep Europe weak, divided and dependent. This is why they support Turkey's admission to the European Union so strongly. They know it would be a Trojan Horse which would destroy Europe from within. The Turks would continue to take American orders and would do America's bidding within the councils of the European Union, making Europe even more dependent on the US.

Any EU citizen in his right mind will reject the idea of Turkey joining the EU, and reject it with contempt. It is time we made our views known to the political stooges who continue to push the idea of Turkish membership on orders from Washington.

If you're a British citizen, you should sign the Downing Street petition to block Turkey's EU membership here.
 
 Hidell  31 Jul 2008 19:46
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 All Americans politicians who care about what's going on across the Atlantic want a more integrated Europe and aren't much interested in ensuring that national parliaments retain more powers. American politicos want integration to go as far as possible, because they think that it would guarantee that the EU does not become a sad, pathetic continent of pretty museums, open to holidaymakers and foreign threats, but devoid of any influence on the world stage. It's the Euro-skeptics who want to keep Europe a bit looser, and not turn it into a strong supranational federation, because they see how strong Brussels' propensity for anti-democratic actions really is. The Canadian lackeys are more closely aligned to British euro-skepticism than to Washington's plans and desires.
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 31 Jul 2008 20:21
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What precisely is a European country? Nations populated by lapsed Christians, perhaps? People who refer to the elusive idea of some sort of a grand European culture go about putting up imaginary boundaries but have difficulty providing the defining characteristics of what being European really is.

Turkey was deeply involved in Europe for over 400 years, and it controlled much of the south-eastern portion of the continent. We could go back further to Byzantium as well, when this part of the world was far more advanced than western European societies were. But only a few hundred years ago, the power of Ottomans spread as far as western Hungary, mere kilometers from Vienna. At the beginning of the last century, Ottomans were still present in much of the western and eastern Balkans. When we speak about who should and should not be permitted to join the European Union, we need to look for the presence of a common history, and this clearly exists in Turkey's case.

Turkey will join the EU sooner or later (I predict sooner), whether those in "Old Europe" like it or not. Eventually, Europe will bow to pressure from Washington, where politicians from both the left and the right support Turkey's entry and call for an expanded and integrated EU. Those of us who are a bit more skeptical of further integration support Turkey's entry because it will actually halt the efforts of the pro-integration camp for some time.
 
 mackenzie  31 Jul 2008 19:03
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 Yes, non-Europeans support Turkey's admission to the EU in order to undermine it. Thanks for making my point for me. Turkey's history with Europe is a history of antagonism.
by  Hidell
 31 Jul 2008 19:32
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