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To the best of my knowledge, there is not one shred of evidence of Jesus's existence other than the
so-called holy books themselves.
His name does not exist in any official documents of the time, although the names of other bible
characters do... Herod, for instance.
Nobody wrote about him during the time he supposedly lived. The earliest mention is around 55 AD,
and in that writing (the earliest known, again) Jesus is treated as a metaphor, not a real person. |
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There are no sources for belief in the mythical Yeshua Ben Nazareb other than the buybull. More
than 40 writers (e.g. Pliny the Elder), whose works survive to this day, lived at the time of the
alleged life of "jesus" and NONE of them made any mention of the myth.
Either the Soviet Union's "nonperson" idea existed 2000 years ago, or the Romans never encountered
the mythical being. And given that the Romans kept records the way the Nazis did (i.e.
Meticulously) you would expect some mention about the myth in a country that was occupied for over a
century.
Edit: "buybull" is apt because people who believe it are buying a load of bull. And for whatever
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Actually there is evidence that Julius Caeser existed, but there is not physical evidence that Jesus
did. There is enough to believe you don't need physical evidence to have faith. I'm not some
religious person at all :let me rephrase that "not even close" But I Believe. Also there is things
mentioned in the bible that have been found. We have found scripts and other treasures in caves. If
you don't believe this you can go to a local union station and see when they get to have you tour
it. |
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I agree. Jesus may not have as much going for him as Caesar, but it is amazing how much is reported
on him. Dionysius was a Jewish historian working for the Romans. He reported on the life of Jesus,
saying he was a teacher and miracle worker who was sent to trial which was over seen by Pontius
Pilot. It goes on to tell of his death and how later his fallowers claimed he rose from the dead.
Dionysius never once claims to believe in deity of Christ, and only reports the fact (nonbiased).
The fact that he would even write about Jesus is something in and of itself. A JEWISH man (Jesus
directly told the Jews to forget their old ways and fallow him into a new covenant) who worked for
the ROMANS (hated the Christians).
Beyond that, historians of the time mention Jesus more than the ruler at the time. The evidence,
while not as numerous as that provided for Caesar, is undeniable. He was, undeniably, a real man;
the question that now needs to be answered is who he was. Jesus was one three types of men. A
madman, a liar, or he truly was the son of God. That’s the true question. |
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There is only documentary evidence for the existence of both.
However, the amount of evidence is definitely significantly less for Jesus's existence than for
Julius Caesar's. Obviously the Bible is worth consideration (despite its obvious limitations), and
Muslims and Jews both vouch for his existence, claiming he was some kind of a prophet.
The documentary evidence for Julius Caesar's existence is, almost, overwhelming. There were several
portraits made of him, letters written by him and about him by his allies and enemies. He is also
credited with making significant changes to the style of Government and calender system of the
time.
Despite the contrast in the amount of evidence for the existence of both men, I expect that both
lived, and the footsteps that we are told that they took are more or less true (although, somewhat
less so for Jesus - because of the lack of detailed documentary evidence).
Asking what they achieved is another (probably more relevant) matter, and I expect that in view of
the comparably less amount of documentary evidence, Jesus's achievements are somewhat exaggerated,
when compared to Julius Caesar's. |
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There is definitely more evidence for Julius .. Statues and images for one.. Documents he signed at
the time and people writing about him at the time and not hundreds of years later, on reflection,
translated, rewritten with bits removed, retranslated, reinterpreted by bigots and forced fed to
sheep..
I would say that given the body of evidence that Jesus existed as a person.. The bible was simply
made up after words, perhaps more like the stories of king arthur..
But judging by the slightly more plausible mentioning of Jesus as the prophet of the Muslims in the
Koran I would hazard a decent guess that he existed.. |
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I, myself am a Christian. But I do agree with this debate. Truly, I've researched and noticed more
evidence of Julius Caesar than Jesus Christ. |
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I think there is more clear and concrete evidence for the existence of Julius Caesar than the
sandal-toting guy in the bible.
Odds are, there probably was a guy named Jesus who performed miracles, but that's only because that
was a very common name and "miracle-working" was also rather common. If it comes down to the person
claiming to be the son of god, then I doubt it but at the end of the day it doesn't really matter
either way. |
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There isn't any physical evidence of caesar's existence, just historical facts. I do believe that he
was a real person. However, the dhroud of turin is physical evidence that proves Christ was indeed a
real person |
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Hazashi the reason why this is said is because there is little that Jesus left behind. It is like
lets say looking for a needle in a hay stack. Jesus had a great importance and that's why scriptures
were written about his life and happenings, these scriptures are the worlds best sellers, therefore
the majority of the worlds population believes in the concept of god and Jesus or the possibility of
there existence. More evidence is being discovered everyday to confirm the existence of Jesus.
Julius caesar was the roman emperor therefore there is historical accounts of his existence as he
was a noted person. Jesus was a carpenter from Nazareth. Jesus is a figure who will remain
throughout history and will not be forgotten. People are always searching for new evidence of the
scripture being true and are doing successfully and will do for generations to come as long as
christianity and religion remains. |
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Here are some things I think people should look at when questioning Jesus Christ's existence as a
living person.
Non-Christian Witnesses: Hostiles
Tacitus, Celsus, Pliny, Suetonius, Tranquillas, Julius Africanus, Trajan, Hadrian, Lucian, Mara
Bar-Serapion, - I'll expand if you ask
Gnostic Testimony:
The Gospel of Truth, The Aprocryphon of John, The Gospel of Thomas, The Treatise On Resurrection to
Regions.
Lost works cited in other references:
Reports sent from Pontius Pilate to Tiberius, Phlegon
Jewish Testimony: The collective writings of Talmud and Josephus son of Mattathias.
The historical significance of the New Testament records - I can expand
"A fact known to all who have given any study at all to this subject is that these books were
quoted, listed, catalogued, harmonized, cited as authority by different writers, Christian and
Pagan, right back to the time of the apostles." Linton
The earliest apologists of Christianity welcomed a full examination of the credentials of the
message that they preached. They still do today. I will list some ancient Christian sources if
anyone asks, but I would just assume that they would be biased sources in many peoples eyes. I
think it is important to also note that he is the most recognizable figure in world history.
Julius Caesar? Who's he? I don't hear much about him anymore. |
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