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There Is No Place For Secret Societies In A Democracy.
There is no place for secret societies in a free and democratic society. For all we know they could be terrorists. Or Nazis. Our governments(allegedly) need to disclose secret documents after a period of time as long as it does not affect National security. Religious, charitable( Osama is religious and believes he is doing the greatest charity for oppressed Muslims), doesn't matter, cults like freemasonry or Scientology could be harbouring Osama. Ridiculous, but the point is, we do not know.
 2free  21 Jul 2008 02:15
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I'm sympathetic to an extent, but how would you define a "secret society"? What if some people get together to play Dungeons and Dragons? Are they a secret society? Maybe the swearing of oaths other than in a court of law could be an acceptable legal definition.

Against that, I think the state in general should accord the maximum of liberty to the citizen except when there is good reason not to. If the members of a secret society commit some wrongful act, presumably that wrongful act must infringe some law and they can be prosecuted just like anyone else. If there is a concern that inappropriate favours could be shown by certain kinds of professional to others who are members of the same secret society, and these favours are not unlawful, maybe new laws, or administrative regulations within the profession, could be created to cover the situation instead.

Where I do think secret societies are very troubling is in politics. In the 2004 election, you had two candidates, Bush and Kerry, who are both members of the highly secretive, and extremely bizarre, Yale secret society called Skull and Bones. Kerry didn't seem to put up much of a fight when the election was so close, and there were so many bizarre circumstances surrounding the vote. The suspicion has to be that he took a dive to his fellow bonesman.

TIP : If you're ever at a protest march or something where the police are walling you in, shout "How many of you are Widows' sons?" to get an interesting reaction.
 
 Hidell  21 Jul 2008 02:48
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 There have been accusations of members of secret societies intermingled with all other institutions in democracy. We had an MP recently who resigned from the Masons, to remove any doubt of conflict of interest. You don't resign from the Masons. Sure on paper, but they don't give you the third degree then suddenly you no longer know the intricacies, methods and agenda of the society. He has already taken their oath. There will always be a conflict of interest. Your average voter will never know this as the society remains secret.
In open politics, we can expect our politicians lives laid bare, we have the right to judge the morals and standards of the men who we would put in charge of the country. If they are part of have ever been part of a secret society, there is an aspect of their morals, standards, and personality which we will never truly be able to judge.
To not question, or to be afraid to question this, which is often difficult without appearing paranoid or disturbed when you research some who have, leaves the question of how it is such an impossible subject to debate.
I can tell you I have no other agenda than charity. Unless you know me, you must only take my word for it.
Secret societies have secrets for a reason, and it is not the best way to organise a beetle drive.
I would welcome a debate on the subject.

I am sure the dungeons and dragon club would welcome public inquiry into their group,give them a few more folk to play with maybe, but the aspects of their game they wish to remain hidden, I am also sure would remain hidden from public knowledge.
by  2free
 21 Jul 2008 13:38
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