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There Is No Harm In Homosexuality. Just As There Is No Harm In Bestiality With A Form Of Consent, Generally. And To Combine The Two Perverse Sexualities, Homosexual Bestiality Is Harmless.
Denial is everything the opposition will do summed up in one word. My prediction they will make true. Though it's not much of a prediction, since that's what the hypocrites have always done. In my vote I destroy most of the arguments for homosexuality, most of which can be used for bestiality, showing just how similar the perversions are. I say "most of the arguments" because there are always new failures ready to be exposed. Anyone can claim anything. It's endless the amount of lame attempts at justifying the unjustifiable.
 Stranger  01 Aug 2011 22:23
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I think animals can provide a form of consent. If a male dog starts humping your leg, it's not a leap in logic to assume that it would prefer something else besides your leg. That's not the issue. A 6-year-old human can also hump your leg. That could also be construed as a form of consent. The issue is about harm. If a 6-year-old human WANTS to do something that is harmful to him/her, we, the adults, have the responsibility to protect them from their own choices. Similarly, if our cat is in heat, and consents to have sex with us, we, as adult humans, have the responsibility to protect it from its own choices. Stranger, can you figure out when something/someone is being harmed by your behavior? Most of us can.

Here's the skinny: If you have an animal that won't be harmed, either physically or emotionally, by having sex with you, then knock yourself out. If you want to have sex with your sofa, no harm done; knock yourself out. If you want to have sex with a child, or small animal, or an unwilling partner, harm is done; don't do it. It's pretty simple.
 
 Ballsalsa  02 Aug 2011 10:10
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 Stranger should stick to rubber dolls.
Hopefully, their hole is in the right spot.
by  justsumguy
 02 Aug 2011 10:17
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I'm voting on this side because the rest of tha farmyard animals especially tha idiotic jsg, ( who is so idiotically green he now needs watering everyday of tha week), attacks the debater instead of addressing tha actual debate, and absolutely agree that both homosexuality and beastility are two perverse sexualities from tha normal sexual relationships, unlike all those on the against side are accertaining.

Interesting debate stranger ~ well thought out excellent!
 
 LordDaniel  02 Aug 2011 10:04
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 There's nothing excellent about it when it can be so easily refuted and it has been on so many occassions.
by  kddan
 02 Aug 2011 12:39
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I have heard from some of you hypocrites that the fact that a penis can fit in a man's anus justifies homosexuality.

Animals have anuses, too.

And some have vaginas, which might better receive a penis than an anus meant for excretion, not insertion.

But there's a "g-spot" in a man's anus!

A zoosexual could claim the same about an animal's.


Let's see.. What other pathetic argument do the hypocrites use?

How could I forget?

The really popular parroted argument goes something like: "Why would they CHOOSE to be discriminated against and ostracized by society?"

The same argument can be used by a zoosexual. Hence, my calling these advocates of the abomination of homosexuality, hypocrites.

"But they love each other!"
You can say the same about some cases of bestiality.

And if love were a requisite for marriage... Then direct me to the secular law which says so.

Then there's the superficial argument of the definition of marriage.

Problems there are that there's more than one definition, and they're all subjective.

The homosexuality advocates changed the traditional definition from a man and his wife or wives, to any gender combination.

Well, not only are most of you hypocrites for condemning bestiality while supporting another perversion, you are hypocrites for acting as if a traditional definition of marriage is unchangeable, since you have changed it/tried to for your agenda.

The same problems are in the definition of acceptable "consent."
An animal can show willingness to mate. Words are not needed.

Why impose your tradition over those who "harm none"?

Then there's the argument about it being natural, thus being okay.
"Animals are homosexuals in some cases, so why not us?"

The same argument can be made by zoosexuals.
"Animals do it interspecies in some cases, so why not us?"

By the way, you can thank Ballsalsa for prompting me to make another attack on this filthy perversion you hold so dear.

The more you lie and deny in arguments against me on this, the more I will respond with a blitzkrieg of truth.

MY RESPONSE TO JSH WHO CENSORS SINCE HE HATES EXPOSURE.
"When a person denies what others say about themselves, insists they are perverse and there is no justification for them to be who they say they are...

The person should be red-flagged and monitored."
Wow. More hypocrisy.

I'm sure he denies what zoosexuals say about themselves, and believes that they are perverse and that there is no justification for them to be who they say they are.

Just goes to show that homosexuality is supported by most of the same arguments bestiality is supported by.
 
 Stranger  01 Aug 2011 23:04
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 I think you are thinking WAY too much about what other people might do sexually. Why don't you concentrate on the sacred bond, in whatever form, that binds you and your loved one together.
by  Lynn
 02 Aug 2011 00:31
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There is harm in a person obsessing about homosexuality while constantly saying people are perverse. When a person denies what others say about themselves, insists they are perverse and there is no justification for them to be who they say they are...

The person should be red-flagged and monitored.

It is a prime example of why things like hate crime legislation and the patriot act are put into motion.

Most people aren't living their lives fuming about other groups of people unless those other groups of people are posing a threat to them. The ones that are, need to be watched. They are a minority and if it stops one of them losing their mind and acting out their hostility...it's fine with me.
 
 justsumguy  02 Aug 2011 09:35
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 I'm not interested in the idiotic wording of the debate.
by  justsumguy
 02 Aug 2011 09:36
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Pedophilia is wrong, it victimizes a child who is not only sexually immature, but also who lacks the cognitive development and life experience to know when s/he is being manipulated. Children do not have the intelligence and experience to know what is best, and thus give consent. There is overwhelming evidence that sexual contact for a child is traumatizing.

An animal could be sexually mature, but it is in no way more intelligent than a child. If we gave animals the same rights that humans have then bestiality would be outlawed.

But most people do not care about other animals. They especially don't care about their sex lives.

So, if someone wants to have sex with an animal. Okay, they should be allowed to. They just have to accept the consequences of being shunned by most of society. That being said, at best, about 1 in 2 thousand people would want to have sex with some sort of animal. At best!

Should a human and another animal be able marry? The obvious answer is of course no. Marriage is an institution given power by the authority of the state, and is designed to help human families persist in the socioeconomic situation.

It's easy to fear and loath differences, and it's difficult for a straight man to understand homosexuality. But for anyone who isn't some type of psycho-maniac, it's easy to understand love and sexual feelings, and it's easy to acknowledge that what two consenting individuals do in their own privacy is up to them.
 
 verum  02 Aug 2011 09:16
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 A logical, well worded response, that will most assuredly turn out to be a complete waste of time.
by  Ballsalsa
 02 Aug 2011 09:24
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As much as I enjoy reading your sometimes bizarre, but often quite amusing arguments, Stranger, I think this is too much. You cannot equate any form of consensual sex between human adults with bestiality. I'm sorry, but that is just ridiculous and I'm sure you're just pursuing it to create controversy on here, so good luck to you.
 
 Evileye  02 Aug 2011 07:46
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 "You cannot equate any form of consensual sex between human adults with bestiality."


Argument from incredulity.

Why are you irrational?
by  Stranger
 02 Aug 2011 10:52
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"I think people should be free to engage in any sexual practices they choose; they should draw the line at goats, though." - Elton John

I disagree with homosexuality for many other reasons. There is a reason leaders throughout history have had gay orgies to celebrate a merging of flesh and power - a sign of power to control common man. Look at all the ruling empires through time and how they had homosexual elites... It goes on and on...
 
 gottfried  02 Aug 2011 06:28
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 Sigh. No logical reasons though.
by  kddan
 02 Aug 2011 07:20
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Actually. Kddan, Stranger did convince me of the merits, disapproval and longevity in the law regarding bestiality. To compare it to homosexual marriage is, of course, absurd, but I do like the idea of Stranger cuddling up to his precious lamb.

But my disdain is because Stranger continues to use the same ridiculous rhetoric in the fashion that Ballsalsa denounced a few months ago. He quotes his opponents' opinions spitefully with no more justification than "nanny-nanny-boo-boo..", He demands others offer definitive evidence despite offering feeble evidence of his own arguments, and he refuses to even admit his own opinion, because then he would have to justify his conclusions.

A boy needs to learn how to ride a horse.
 
 Lynn  02 Aug 2011 00:26
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 a boy also needs to learn to mount a horse! lol
by  damselfly
 02 Aug 2011 02:21
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You're an idiot. No matter how many times we (the sensible majority) refute you on this site you will never listen to reason. Go and grow up.
 
 kddan  01 Aug 2011 23:55
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 "You're an idiot. No matter how many times we (the sensible majority) refute you on this site you will never listen to reason. Go and grow up."

NO ARGUMENT.

Except these fallacies.

1. Bandwagon.

2. Of incredulity.

3. Ad hominem.

4. Begging the question.

5. Red herring.

Five fallacies in three sentences, two of which are super short.
That takes practice, doesn't it?

Funny how the fallacious (and thus, irrational) guy calls ME an idiot.

Hahaha.

You're just bluffing, homosexual.
by  Stranger
 01 Aug 2011 23:57
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I'm going to completely and utterly disagree with you, on the grounds that you have created a straw man argument.

The "penises fit in anuses" argument does NOT automatically make homosexuality okay. It simply refutes the claim that homosexuality is unnatural, because it obviously isn't.

Yes, the same applies to any sexual act whatsoever unless it involves an artificial object. Yes, paedophilia, rape, bestiality and necrophilia are all natural. That has nothing to do with anything. The reason the four examples here are prohibited is to prevent exploitation. Animals cannot testify in court to say that a given act of sex was consensual, homosexuals can. If you can find a talking dog, that is a different matter entirely.
 
 Occultdude  01 Aug 2011 23:21
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 It's not a strawman argument, dimwit, since I didn't even say who exactly used it. There are variations, and that is one of them. For it to be a misrepresentation, you need to prove that I used a particular and then misrepresented it. What is the particular I supposedly used? YOU GOT NOTHING, dunce.

I answered your dead argument of consent in my vote.
by  Stranger
 01 Aug 2011 23:26
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