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The US Slide Into A Socialistic, All-powerful Central Government Is Inevitable
It is a known fact that socialistic-minded teachers in the public school system outnumber capitalistic, self-responsible minded teachers two to one. Add the fact that public teachers' union leaders are far more marxist oriented than that. Now, add to that the more extreme far left higher education component. It seems obvious that the economic-political bias of these groups who "mold" our young students' minds, would eventually result in a populace that embraces the "nanny," socialistic role of our government.
 charlee  14 Oct 2009 15:11
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They teach math in school and very few of the students are persuaded to learn basic math. Same as all the rest of the subjects.
 
 justsumguy  15 Oct 2009 14:43
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"It is a known fact that socialistic-minded teachers in the public school system outnumber capitalistic, self-responsible minded teachers two to one."

Woah, down boy! Firstly, a 'known fact', really? Secondly since when was capitalism 'self-responsible'. Thirdly, if this is true (and I'll accept that teachers are more left wing than the general population) then surely it has always been true; yet America is hardly a socialist dictatorship! What's changed?
 
 Quincel  14 Oct 2009 20:16
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Nah, I don't think anything is "inevitable". Plus both moreno and finsch make many valid points. And from my own experience, up through high school 2/3 of my faculty were conservatives and free market capitalists, and then in college and grad school it was about 50/50.
 
 Grenache  14 Oct 2009 18:31
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A) I dispute your 'known fact of teacher's political leanings. It sounds like propaganda.
B) One has a large variety of different teachers in even basic primary schooling.
C) if parents do not have more influence over their children than teachers they've no one but themselves to blame.
D) Neither pure capitalism or pure socialism are effective or even feasible forms of government. We have never been or ever could be one or the other. In fact capitalism isn't even a type of government.
 
 finsch  14 Oct 2009 18:26
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 Perhaps, I overstated the ratio of conservative vs liberal primary public school teachers. I am responding to the views of teachers I have known for many years. I do stand by the liberal political/economic perspective of public teachers' unions and higher education faculties. Of course, Education Departments at our Universities train our public educators and provide modern curricula for the classrooms. So, their influence certainly penetrates all our teachers and what they teach.

I should have used the labels, "liberal" and "conservative" rather than confusing the issues, but wanted to avoid those labels. So, I'll be specific what I am trying to say: If I define conservatism as the view of "limited government in our economic lives, free markets and the function of government to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals" AND define liberalism in this context as, "government action to achieve economic opportunity and equality for all, and that it is the duty of the State to alleviate social ills and to guarantee that no one is in need and the need for government to solve peoples' problems" THEN I believe my basic assertion stands, that the US public education system promotes a liberal agenda and would logically be reflected in students who are strongly influenced by their teachers.
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 16 Oct 2009 15:54
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Socialism is a socio-economic philosophy. Capitalism is a economic philsophy in doing business and how markets are ran. Comparing apples to oranges. So you are saying the government is a capitalist government and run as such....so basically write policies to cater to the highest bidder....i.e. Lobbyist? I don't see that as a great thing to brag about and its definately an improper understanding of the two.

The similarities discussed should be how governments allocate tax revenue. Thats where the argument of socialism can be raised vs a more democratized form of tax allocation of resources.

Capitalism is a different animal and socialist countries use capitalism because capitalism is a market philosophy.
 
 moreno  14 Oct 2009 16:34
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