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The Theologically Illiterate Should Not Debate Theology.
This is a serious plague on this site, considering most people don't have a bloody clue what they are talking about. It happens in the outside world to, when theologically illiterate zoologists publish 300 pages of whining.
 Mark  29 May 2008 19:27
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Certainly.

Does that mean you're going to shut up about anything involving Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, animists, wiccans, etc.?

Or are you going to continue displaying your ignorance in public by assuming your filth...I mean, faith, is the only "real" religion?

The others I listed are just as real as yours.

Your ignorance about other religions makes you unqualified to talk about it.
 
 K9  30 May 2008 16:36
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 Good. Now get off and quit debating religion.
by  Mark
 30 May 2008 17:35
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Yes, Mark should stop debating theology. The issue here isn't just "theological illiteracy" but people who know nothing BUT theology as well. Religion has little to do with reality and those who are supremely convinced that religion is factually true are often cast in the role of the fool when it turns out they don't have a clue what they're talking about.
 
 Cephus  30 May 2008 00:07
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 Good you agree with me, now stop debating theology.
by  Mark
 30 May 2008 00:08
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Spirituality is an inside thing, no one on the outside is EVER going to really understand. They try to understand the Bible or any other religion from bits and pieces and think they know something. That's just like the story of the 3 blind men touching an elephant in some small place and thinking they know what it's all about. (obviously that's assuming they don't know what an elephant is, I have to write that, or the so called intellectuals will try to use that to argue about what they can't know.)
 
 stever  29 May 2008 22:04
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Totally agree. People post a ton of stuff about topics they know nothing about. Then they make ridiculous statements with no solid proof backup. If you don't have any good, constructive comments to leave, then don't leave them.
 
 DTigers7  29 May 2008 21:29
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Nice, some elitist site where you get to decide the measure of validity? I don’t think so.
 
 finsch  31 May 2009 22:35
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We learn by an exchange of ideas. However, there is only one truth. How do we come to a knowledge of that truth? Some are always learning new things but are never able to come to a knowledge of that one, life changing truth that has existed even before the foundation of the world. Christianity is all about faith. It has nothing at all to do with working to try and please some deity. It has nothing at all to do with trying to live good enough to tilt the scales so that we please a god who is waiting to punish us. So many, even well meaning Christians, believe that we must strive to please God. No, we only trust Him. It is all about faith. I cannot convince anyone to believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God. I did not find God, He found me. He has now placed inside of me eternal truths that will carry me now and through eternity. Even by debating whether the Christian God is real or not means that you are not 100% sure. It could be that He is pursuing you now, and He always wins.
 
 pathenry  18 Oct 2008 13:09
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No.

All one requires is passion.
No one has all perfection of knowledge anyway.
Those who think they know it all are simply mistaken.

All you require is passion for a subject to be worthwhile debating.

We all learn as we go along.
Which is one majorly excellent outcome of debate.
 
 Scorpion  25 Jul 2008 03:12
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Good judgement doesn't come from just watching, you have to experience it.
I'll debate on theology all day long and I will learn ALL DAY LONG.
 
 Genkaku  23 Jun 2008 07:04
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 Good judgement comes from experience, which comes from... bad judgement.
by  OzzieMan
 23 Jun 2008 07:32
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As there is no proof that Christianity is actually correct about the nature of reality, the consideration must be made that God does not exist and that all traditions and beliefs which are based upon God's existence are therefore suspect. Under these conditions, someone who is "theologically illiterate" might actually be in a better position to get at the truth.
 
 OzzieMan  29 May 2008 20:12
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 Actually, with your own reasoning, you can't PROVE evolution or atheism either... so nothing exists, including you.
by  stever
 30 May 2008 16:55
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If your position is strong, and your faith is strong then you should not fear.

If you don't feel there is a point to the argument then don't engage. There are other sites like belief.net that can engage you in a better way.

Often it's the same tired posts, over and over, and at some point i just lost interest. The predictability of some posters is almost a cliche. Who really cares?
 
 innomen  29 May 2008 20:05
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 I'm talking about the absolute morons who think they are absolute experts, but really are just making total asses of themselves by constantly showing their immense ignorance.
by  Mark
 29 May 2008 20:09
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In practice this would mean that no one could talk about the core concepts of most magical belief systems, and would essentially shut down any discussion of them on this site. If these concepts have any value, they should be accessible to everyone, not just people who have pored over some arcane tomes on the subject.

The truth is that most people who consider themselves theologically literate are really not. You, for example, are apparently unaware that the belief about Hell, perhaps the most fundamental of all Christian beliefs, you were articulating was the exact opposite of the one accepted by the Catholic Church, the church you belong to. It's clear that you are a wannabe who doesn't even have a clue about the basics of your own faith. Yet you trumpet your "theological expertise" high from the mountain-tops.

Like all "appeals to authority", your claim that you need to have some abstract, poorly defined mastery of a subject before discussing it is just a ploy to escape outside scrutiny of your beliefs and preposterous claims. If expertise was so much more valuable than non-expertise, the expert should be able to dispose of the non-expert easily. A heavyweight champion should easily be able to dispose of some random amateur from the local pub who fancies his chances in a fight. If he can't, his expertise must be called into question.
 
 Hidell  29 May 2008 19:50
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 Annotated version:
In practice this would mean that no one could talk about the core concepts of most magical belief systems, and would essentially shut down any discussion of them on this site.(Good) If these concepts have any value, they should be accessible to everyone, not just people who have pored over some arcane tomes on the subject.(Quantum physics is of great value, but it's not accesible)

The truth is that most people who consider themselves theologically literate are really not. You, for example, are apparently unaware that the belief about Hell, perhaps the most fundamental of all Christian beliefs(Try Jesus instead of Hell)), you were articulating was the exact opposite of the one accepted by the Catholic Church, the church you belong to.(We are allowed to have our own opinions) It's clear that you are a wannabe who doesn't even have a clue about the basics of your own faith.(I know d@mn well about the basics of Catholicism.) Yet you trumpet your "theological expertise" high from the mountain-tops.(I never claim to be an expert.)

Like all "appeals to authority", your claim that you need to have some abstract, poorly defined mastery of a subject before discussing it is just a ploy to escape outside scrutiny of your beliefs and preposterous claims.(Sorry, but Catholicism isn't football, you can't just strike up a conversation and be an automatic expert after watching a dozen masses like you could with sports) If expertise was so much more valuable than non-expertise, the expert should be able to dispose of the non-expert easily.(I once one a game of Hearts playing with a bunch of experts, but I'm a total n00b at that game) A heavyweight champion should easily be able to dispose of some random amateur from the local pub who fancies his changes in a fight.(Maybe, maybe not) If he can't, his expertise must be called into question.(You can still be an expert and lose to an amateur.) (I never claim to be an expert.)
by  Mark
 29 May 2008 20:01
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