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| The Main Reasons Why The Top Religions Exist Is Because Logic And Science Was Pacified. |
| This is one of the main reason why these old religions grew legs. There is no surprise they lasted for so long when most of the world was ancient in thinking during most of its existence. True free-thinking has only been freely allowed as of the 20th and 21st century. If they were challenged as they are now, Christians, Muslims and Jews would be in the category like The branch davidians, mormons, or Amish people or even those religious wackos like Scientology. |
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*updated*
truth is only in history. Tomorrow is the presence of fear. There is nothing wrong with hoping.
Science and religion would never prove to me otherwise, in fact, they've never tried to.
Power + people ≠powerful people, but people do want to understand power. People do want to not
understand some things. Time isn't over yet.
You don't have to be a jerk to debate is a sticker forandagainst should sell.
*old*
I'm not reading any of any of that this is a great debate topic... I await commenting on all those
10s and 11s going on... What is it about hostility that convinces itself its so right? Incredulity?
Doubt maybe? Risk and indifference to sounding coy, oh my |
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Moreno, I agree with you for the most part. That being said, I believe that there are spiritual
happenings that can not be explained by science or logic. Spirituality sometimes encourages free
thinking. |
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Thats not true! |
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Pacified? No, try entirely ignored. Religion isn't interested in reality, it only cares about
emotionally-satisfying beliefs which rarely have anything to do with reality. Religion clings to
primitive beliefs tenaciously and occasionally clothes them in new outfits to make them appeal to a
more modern audience, but underneath it's still the same old nonsense. |
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I understand the point you’re trying to make but I think you are reversing things. There have been
times when religion suppressed learning but typically this is when the religion in question is the
establishment and feels threatened by new learning. In fact as you look back through history most
commonly religion and science went hand and hand from the Roman temples that used the ‘miracle’
of hydraulics to wow the yokels, to the Catholic priests who carried the books all the way from
Constantinople to the church basements of Ireland so they could be discovered in time for our
Renaissance. |
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Science is knocking harder than ever in history. And Religion is still going strong.
Logic is not always breaking through because of increased health defects due to other controversial
issues...
But Logic is on its game as well. Actually, religion may have spread far and wide but it has lots
much of its fervor in many people's lives.
Also, I don't see religion as just perception. The main religions of the world propose an order of
things. Judaism, Christianity, Islam all have a government like system with major statutes outlined
in them. People take the same book and made a thousand 'religions' out of it.
Buddhism and other religions that slowly become less explicit or more vague require more perception.
Like all the Indian scripts etc. [What's that religion called?] No telling and impossible to
consider all the sacred scripts. |
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Actually, free thinking is more oppressed now that it has been for centuries. The Liberal worldview
actually is the most intolerant and oppressive worldview that has ever existed (or at least thats
the direction its heading). It oppresses anyone and anything that does not adhere to its teachings.
It forces children to learn its rules and regulations at an increasingly early age. It seeks to
destroy private property and private discussion. It seeks to regulate a persons thoughts by
instituting laws that increase the penalty for crimes if the criminal commited the crime for a
particular reason rather than another. Liberalism stands in the face of all other worldviews and
degrades them into submission by declaring its standards as the true standards for truth and
knowledge when it does not even believe in truth. It tells us that soldiers defending their
families and homes are murderers and yet in its abortion mills it mandates that life is of no
consequence and is meaningless. Modern ideology tells us we are nothing but random chemicals with
no real purpose and yet somehow we are supposed to believe in a "good" society.
And further proof of this is your debate topic. You assum that all other worldviews are void of any
real substance or worth regardless of the details of its existene. You are saying they exist only
due to the absence of liberalism. Intolerance in its worst form....incognito. |
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Not exactly. This is quite an arrogant and ignorant statement because back then in Mesopotamian,
Egyptian, and whole other periods, people living in this era had held highly developed techniques,
were very civilized and advanced. Religion played very important role in their societies, however,
everything that these people did, they paid tributes to their gods and followed only the rules that
didn't restrict science or advancement of their societies. Why? Why should they when it can make
them become stronger than any other force in the world? Ancient people realized that religion cannot
exist without science and logic and vice versa. Lots of people in this world have somehow fallen
into that trap and notion of thinking that it's better to have no religion because fights happen
because of religion. However, checking out history to now about wars of history, only about 7% of it
contains religious conflicts and wars while other big chunk contains human conflicts. People fight
because they are greedy and want more (and few other reasons), not mainly because of religion.
Look at our society today. What's more highly regarded? Becoming stronger, becoming smarter, more
technology, more, more, more. That's what's highly regarded; not love and loving neighbors. |
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A lot of the concepts from said religions have been around for millennia, whereas science itself is
only a few centuries old. So, it’s not that the people of those times bypassed science in favor of
scientifically incorrect theological thought. Science wasn’t around back then. It wasn’t until
the mid 1500s that science actually arose as a method of discovering truth independent of an
authority’s word, and, because of its differential approach to the nature of such truths, it
didn’t even begin to prosper until a few hundred years later. Science is a rather new thing. So
it’s not linked to those, by comparison, ancient religions. It could also be argued though that
during the times before science, religious doctrine and authority was logical thought in and of
itself. In fact, both can be sited as the main reasons that drove the scientific revolution, which
was largely done (ironically considering this debate) by devout religious people. |
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'Logic and science was pacified'' LOLOLOLOL What kind on meaningless statement is that?
You are trying SO hard to sound intelligent and stumble so greatly.
Might I supply you with a few more Christian/religion debates?
1. Christianity is too blame for the use of steroids in sports.
2. The swine flu is an attempt by Christians to kill everyone.
3. Christians are against abortion as they secretly plan to eat the babies.
4. Christians are fatty-fats that are fat.
5. Christians want to kill Christians.
I hope this helps. With your posting of anti-Christian/religion debates on a daily basis, you must
be running low on ideas. |
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Sorry but I'm confident it was the opposite. The pagan religions were quite arbitrary and their
followers were quite abusive, and then our more mainstream religions came along and showed them
civility and kindness were better as well as the simplicity of worshipping just one entity. In
other words the mainstream religions were much more "reasonable" than whatever religion they were
following before. That doesn't mean those religions are more reasonable than science now, just that
they started out as superior options to their competitors. |
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Lol...you need to do some research. The Amish??? That was funny.
Ancient thinking is relative. Today's thinking will be ancient thinking.
Think about that.
And a little more research will show that the expansion of logic and science ran hand in hand with
much religious "thinking". The concept of eternity had much to do with the advancement of math and
science. These endeavors were often linked to both "christian" and "Islamic" religion.
You could probably identify with the example of exploring the world in those ships back in the good
old days. Much of that was "christian" backed. In their effort to "save" the world (or conquer it if
seen from my view) they "discovered" alot. |
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Logic is not science of belief, but the science of proof, or evidence; and its province must be
restricted to that portion of our knowledge which consists of inferences from truths previously
known, whether those antecedent data be general propositions or particular observations and
perceptions. It includes the subservient operations of naming, definition and classification. For
example did you know that when 'Great Tits', are hungry they will bite the heads off of 'BATS',
defender of Gotham City? They are wonderful little birds moreno....;-) |
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