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The Idea That Science Is Out To Destroy God Or Religion Is A Politically Motivated Lie Begun And Maintained By The Religious Right.
Fact: Most scientists are religious. Fact: There is no intrinsic conflict between religion and science.
 finsch  30 May 2009 18:19
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It's interesting that science in all it's theories does NOT EVER directly target religion as a whole nor specific religious groups. Science tests theories, it doesn't test religions. In comparison religious groups do directly and deliberately target science and/or it's theories in very personal assaults. It's also interesting that science does NOT EVER try to impose it's teachings within religious institutions to try to force them to teach evolution along side their creationist idea. However religious groups do directly and deliberately try to remove evolution from school teachings and/or force the relgious creationism belief into science classrooms as part of the curriculum. Clearly if there is a bully on one side of this dispute it is religion.
 
 Grenache  31 May 2009 02:56
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 And you expect to have religion treat science any different? They all are 'fighting' each other over who is right in religion. Don't take it too personal. Religion is a personal field, and why do you think? It offers intuitive ways of living etc. The Devil's in the details so they say. And many religions have to show they are different from each other by the many numerous 'minor details'. So they will nitpick at what lays in science. As they are attentive to science differing from religions. Now you get exceptions, like religions compromising their believes to carry science into it.
Why don't religious institutions teach other religions in their system? And why should science be treated any different?
by  gottfried
 31 May 2009 13:19
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You all probably have a pretty good idea of my personal religious views (or lack thereof) but I freely admit that there is nothing I know of in all that we have discovered about Life, The Universe, and Everything that disproves a creator, the supernatural, or some sort of soul.
However science is not a belief system. I know some people try to treat it that way but they are confused. Science is a methodology for deciphering the truth about the mechanics of the natural world. Nothing more, and nothing less.
Evolution for example, is the genetic change of groups of organisms over time. This is an observed fact. The Theory of Evolution is the study of the how’s and why’s of these changes. The fact that we have a very broad and deep understanding of these mechanisms based on a body of work that beggers the Taj Mahal and ten Great Walls of China in scope still doesn’t prove or disprove the existence of god it simply gives us greater understanding of our own environment.
 
 finsch  31 May 2009 00:04
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Science is predicated on logical thought and the search for facts.

Rightwing ideology and religion (nearly always together) are predicated on rationalizing ways of self-servingly getting more for themselves at the expense of others (e.g. Slavery, dumping tax responsibility on the working class, etc.).

Given that one seeks honesty and the other seeks to protect lies, it's inevitable that they are going to come into conflict.
 
 K9  30 May 2009 21:49
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 I think we need to be careful about getting drawn into a debate of religion against science. It is unproductive, dangerous and ultimately belittles us all. They’re separate ways of dealing with separate issues.
by  finsch
 31 May 2009 00:16
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Just look at the past several centuries’ when incongruously religion and science have been coexisting; it’s clear that the religious fanatics are out to destroy science. The only thing science aims to annihilate is the blindness and illogical aspects of humanity. It’s ironic; the institutions that which oaths to shed the light upon mankind and open our eyes is the one which is determined to shun it.
 
 verum  30 May 2009 19:39
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 Look at how things are changing. You wouldn't dare say Scientists are trying to shove religion away would you?

Here is the problem. There is one science, divided by many theories. It's all good!
But you have a one truth, and many religions claiming the truth.
And they all are fighting over it.
Is it any wonder science is hot? And religion drives people crazy.
by  gottfried
 31 May 2009 00:19
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I'm a conservative Christian and I adore science.
Christianity and science are most compatible. Science, when applied appropriately to parts of our existence, is a great source of knowledge and truth. Those things that are part of existence, that are not physical or material (nonemperic) don't lend themselves to scientific scrutiny. Such things as the laws of logic, or conscousness, or the soul or just about any mental activity, actually the scientific method, itself, cannot be verified through science. God, if he exists, and I think he most certainly does, seems to be in the latter category and, hence, not detectable by science or subject to scientific inquiry. There may be some "right wing" folks who are afraid of science and see it as the enemy, but such is not the case for most thinking Christians.
 
 charlee  04 Jun 2009 23:28
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False. It's just people who think they know better. So they decide to worship Darwin, so they cannot be held accountable to God.
 
 webman1200  30 May 2009 20:29
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 You say they "Worship Darwin". They don't make pilgrimages to Darwin, nor pray to him, nor get "married" by science, nor use him to determine sin, nor expect an afterlife care of Darwin. There is no worship of Darwin.
by  Grenache
 31 May 2009 02:43
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I would say it's a 50/50 scenario. And many scientists get burned for even suggesting a creationist account. Science gets a bad rep with reckless scientists using their accountability without responsibility.

Much of science has changed over the years and is very much so more theoretical.
 
 gottfried  30 May 2009 19:36
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 It depends on what you mean by a creationist account. Most scientists believe that god created the universe. However very few give much credence to the idea that he did it all at once six thousand years ago. There is simply far too much evidence that everything has existed at different times over a much longer time line than that. Let me ask you this; if god made life on this planet why couldn't evolution be his method of doing so?
by  finsch
 30 May 2009 21:26
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