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The Equal Opportunities Form Is Completely Pointless.
When applying for a job, or many other things you have to complete a form asking about your ethnic origins (I forget PC terminology they are using this month). I find this form ridiculous, pointless and mildly offensive. There is no conceivable need for it. What is its aim.
 StBalders  09 Apr 2008 15:21
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These forms drive me up the wall as well, but unfortunately in Canada--where we take a very PC, United Church approach to everything--an equal opportunities question accompanies just about all application forms for work and scholarships. In most cases, they ask the applicant if he or she is a "member" of a "visible minority" group and then proceed by listing several of these. The problem is that we should either base work applications on meritocracy, or provide concessions to all those in society who may be disadvantaged. This would include poverty-stricken, working-class white males with a lower-than-average level of education, who in the UK are sometimes in worse financial shape than many ethnic minorities.

In the US, however, affirmative action probably played an important role in the 1970s and 1980s. Nevertheless, I would argue that it would be high time to replace this policy, as soon as possible. If anything, we should base equal opportunity concessions on one's economic background. This would be a much more inclusive approach.
 
 mackenzie  09 Apr 2008 15:45
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I hope you all know which form I mean, it accompanies every application in the UK. My mum even had to fill out something similar when applying for a lottery grant for an old building she looks after. It asked how many people of each ethnic sector (is that the word?) use the facility. What has that got to do with anything, how would her answer affect the outcome of the application?

When going for a job you need to say about your ethnic background. Why? Why are we all so hung up about ethnic backgrounds. Sure they are interesting at conversation level but they should have no affect on an application for anything, Let's move on and get rid of them.
 
 StBalders  09 Apr 2008 15:26
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Clearly, race-based discrimination has existed in the past. Although it is now outlawed, there is always a suspicion that it still exists in some quarters. If you look only at the outcomes, say the proportion of civil servants who are black, you get a certain amount of information, but not enough to draw definite conclusions.

For example, let's say you find the number of black civil servants is disproportionately low compared to the share of black people in the population. Well, that's interesting. But is that happening because a disproportionately low number of black people are applying for jobs with the civil service? Or is because a normal number of black people are applying but, for some reason, disproportionately being turned down? If the latter, you would need to look more closely to find the reasons.

I think this kind of monitoring is not unreasonable, although it does make filling out forms a bit more bothersome.
 
 Hidell  09 Apr 2008 15:33
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 Fair comment Hidell, but I fail to see how any conclusions can be drawn from the forms and the statistics. I would think that an investigation should start if a particular complaint from an applicant is raised who feels they have been turned down on the grounds of race. A recent example was the well qualified applicant who enquired about a job, he gave his name, Mr Mamhood (not correct but point made) He was told there were no vacancies. He phoned back an hour later and when asked again said Mr Smith. "When would you like to come in Mr Smith" was the reply this time. If the records show that this company employed only 1% non-white people that would prove nothing but Mr Mamhood's little test certainly did.

My point? Not entirely sure. I just think that the form reveals nothing and could possibly be counter productive in that an employer or the lottery might "cook the books" to make the numbers look better. I just think we need to move on now and stop making such a deal out of people's ethnic origins.
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 09 Apr 2008 15:53
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