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The Burden Of Proof Lies On The Atheist.
They are the minority. They are making the abnormal claim. They are making the claim that goes against all evidence. They are contradicting writing after writing. You prove that God doesn't exist.
 Mark  29 May 2008 21:36
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Well, to begin, we are all sick of atheist debates. They are usually, thoughtless, debates that make no since. Atheist people feel so guilty over their own decision, that they feel the need to constantly explain their decision and beliefs. Smart people know that God exists. The proof is all around. To not believe that God exist is to be blind and naive. When these atheists are in trouble or experiencing trauma or life changing events, they are yelling for help from God. It is all a show them. Christians just need to leave them alone and quit wasting time on them.
 
 Professor  30 May 2008 01:39
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 No we probably need to explain our decisions because of lines like "smart people know god exists" and "not to believe in god is blind and Naive".
by  StBalders
 30 May 2008 01:43
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Well we have been through this before. I agree that if there is an assertion made by a minority to upset the majority opinion, then the burden falls on the minority making the claim. Even if the belief is not based in fact, it is still the prevailing belief.
 
 innomen  30 May 2008 00:03
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 Prevailing belief is irrelevant, that's argumentum ad populum, a logical fallacy. Even if 99.9999% of the people believe something, that doesn't make it so.

The burden of proof is solely on the individual making the positive claim. If someone claims God is real, they are required to back it up. Whining, as Mark is so good at, that everyone else has to prove him wrong, is idiotic.
by  Cephus
 30 May 2008 00:13
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Okay

You're an atheist about Zeus. You believe he doesn't exist.

Prove Zeus doesn't exist.

Edit:

Instead of proving that Zeus does not exist, the raving godbot spews garbage about his own religion being true.

It's not the first time the whining godbot named Mark didn't answer a question because he didn't have an answer. He never did have the spine to answer whether apes had half souls.
 
 K9  30 May 2008 03:44
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 Because he is ungodly and it is a known fact that lighting is a natural event we can reproduce. EDIT: I did not "spew garbage about my religion being true", you blithering idiot, you didn't even read what I said. Apes do NOT have "half souls" they have sensory souls. I'd explain but you are too bloody stopped to believe anything that doesn't fit in with your pre-determined bigotry. What is your problem? Where you raped by a priest and hated all Christians afterwards?
by  Mark
 30 May 2008 16:34
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The burden of proof lies with the one making the claim, not those rejecting it. Usually, when someone is making a claim that others reject, this means that the person making the claim has not presented enough evidence to convince those who oppose it otherwise. If there is an atheist making such claims of opposition to certain beliefs, then yes, the burden of proof would be on them to show reasons to the contrary. However, if someone is simply rejecting something given to them it’s up to those who defend it to present the evidence supporting such a conclusion (whether or not the person rejecting the belief requires subjective or objective evidence usually depends).
 
 Hizashi  30 May 2008 02:26
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When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. Becoming a believer in god is often not a choice its something your parents teach you, or a result of peer pressure. Atheist do put forward their proof, we've been doing it for years. For theist it goes in one ear and out the other, or over their heads, one or the other. Until we can travel into the past and show creationist what really happened and that the earth is billions of years old and that humans have evolved like every other organism, you will ignore the proof that is right in front of you. Its the creationist who have never shown any believable or plausible evidence that any gods exist.
 
 Andromeda  30 May 2008 02:26
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Oh get a life, Mark.

We are not claiming that the world was magically created in 7 days, yet the creator manages to not wipe out disease/poverty/crime/whatever.

"They are contradicting writing after writing" - ALL THE WRITING IS FROM THE SAME SOURCE, THE SOURCE WITH NO PROOF.
 
 Snipex  30 May 2008 01:01
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 Annotated version : Oh get a life, Mark. (I will)

We are not claiming that the world was magically created in 7 days, yet the creator manages to not wipe out disease/poverty/crime/whatever.(Only a moron believes literally earth was created in 7 days, and why SHOULD God wipe out disease poverty and crime?)

"They are contradicting writing after writing" - ALL THE WRITING IS FROM THE SAME SOURCE(Nuh uh), THE SOURCE WITH NO PROOF.(Sorry, but Summa Theologica is not the Bible.)
by  Mark
 30 May 2008 01:26
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Nope. If you say "God exists" and I say "God doesn't exist" those are equal theories. Neither of us have provided proof, only conjecture. Atheists have their reasons for not believing in God, just as Theists have their reasons for believing in God. From either side, it is all conjecture. Until God presents Himself or Herself to us, there will always be doubt.
 
 Wolffe  30 May 2008 00:38
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 An honest response.
by  innomen
 30 May 2008 00:41
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Why would the burden of proof be on the atheist?? The burden of proof lies with the party making the positive claim. Atheists are just holding the default position assigned by nature.

""Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan
 
 OzzieMan  30 May 2008 00:35
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 Right, and it's an extraordinary claim that the universe simply sprang into existence out of nothing, with no cause.
by  Mark
 30 May 2008 01:27
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No, there is nothing "abnormal" about rejecting an irrational concept that hasn't been demonstrated.

Stop trying to shift the burden of proof, Mark.
 
 Cephus  29 May 2008 23:59
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 Define "demonstrated"
by  Mark
 30 May 2008 00:09
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