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The American People Are Guilty
Even if Obama wins, the guilt of the Bush years can never be erased.
 Hidell  31 Oct 2008 23:00
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I agree that one must be responsible for their actions and this includes the American people. I in no way believe that we committed mass genocide, but I see your extravagant example as evidence even though it's a bit much... I'm not sure what issues were talking about specifically here. Everyone seems to be choosing their own thing to argue about. Iraq, torture you name it. I think in the description you should put some of the issues you wish to talk about. This debate is too broadly based.
 
 Specter87  01 Nov 2008 15:21
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 The reasons don't matter. Americans are split close to 50/50 on their presidential elections. It's not 70/30. There are many people in America. Alot more than England. Alot more than France. Alot more than Germany.

To say Americans are guilty for which President is elected is stupid. Which is what I expect from Hidell. Stupidity.
by  justsumguy
 02 Nov 2008 13:32
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They are guilty. They are even more guilty than the German people were in the 1930s. Hitler came to power democratically then instituted a dictatorship. America has remained a democracy throughout. The American people have approved Bush's actions every step of the way. Yes, the elections have been stolen, but you can only steal so much of an election. You can only shift the results by about 5% or so before it becomes too obvious.

The American people have approved torture and the wanton murder of innocent civilians. The posters opposite provide a striking illustration of their stupidity, ignorance and complicity in the crimes of the Bush regime.

Justifying the invasion of Iraq by saying "They attacked us" makes no more sense than Hitler's justification of his aggressive wars by saying the same thing.
 
 Hidell  01 Nov 2008 13:15
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 Ah, Hidell. It's kinda silly t come out 'for' your own debate. By the way, do you EVER have the majority agree with you on anything you post? i've not seen it.
by  Bugman
 01 Nov 2008 15:09
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That is so true. Bush made a lot of bad decisions which will take a long time to reverse. The most shocking thing was the fact that the American people voted him in four more years.
 
 SlyOne  01 Nov 2008 00:30
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 I'm still mad about the whole Population vote with Gore.
by  Specter87
 01 Nov 2008 15:13
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:-(

at least let us TRY to undo the horrible BUSH-CR@p-YEARS.
How were we supposed to know he was a total lying-scum?
 
 sylverwyld  31 Oct 2008 23:54
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 Do you think he knows? I think he is spaced out.!
I don't think he could do a litmus test let alone a drugs test.;-))
by  keepmindok
 01 Nov 2008 00:00
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Yep Guilty of protecting ourselves. No more terrorist attacks since 9-11 we our President & Congress went on the offensive and fought Al Qaida in 2 of their largest supporting nations. Killed a few fanatics before they tried and succeeded in killing us. Hmm I don't see the problem.
 
 fairie  04 Nov 2008 02:09
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Why are the people guilty for the bush administration's failure?
 
 ur_wrong  03 Nov 2008 02:34
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 Because it's a democracy and they voted for him.
by  Hidell
 03 Nov 2008 12:26
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If we are to say that Americans are collectively guilty for the trespasses committed by their government, then I am afraid that every person in any country--living or dead--would also be guilty for the heinous acts that their leaders committed at one point in their history. Using this logic, the British are doubly guilty for having subjected so much of the world to a brutal imperial agenda and--indeed--all Europeans are guilty for the inherent racism that has permeated their cultures and societies. If the Americans can do nothing to erase the collective guilt associated with eight years of the Bush administration, then Europeans can be as progressive, open-minded, tolerant and multicultural as they want, but they will never shake off the centuries of imperialism, antisemitism, genocidal racism and their long-standing yearning for global white supremacy.

But I've got a better solution: How about we banish the concept of collective guilt and stop passing judgment over people simply because they happen to live in a country led by an unsavoury government.
 
 mackenzie  02 Nov 2008 18:24
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 So you don't believe in democracy? The supposed evils of European countries were committed in the distant past, mostly when the countries were not fully democratic. It is absurd for you to argue that the current generation of Americans bear no responsbility for their actions in the voting booth, or that current guilt is equivalent to historical guilt.
by  Hidell
 02 Nov 2008 18:32
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They attacked us and if they hadn't then we wouldn't have started a huge war!! So you losers out there that hate the u.s then you guys should be the guilty ones!!
 
 2chickas  31 Oct 2008 23:55
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 Don't try debating with this guy. SO over the top. Hidell has drunk the liberal Kool-aid. We can all look forward to supporting him one day as we work and he serves in some 'community organizing' capacity and lives off of grants from the government.
by  Bugman
 01 Nov 2008 00:00
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Actually, I gotta go with the French, Germans and Russians being the guilty. Looks like Euros to me.

Fact is, had the French, Germans and Russians stood with the US when the US BEGGED them to...the world would be much different.

As for the world economy, welcome to the anti-Bush league. It all began with the push to get Americans into first homes they could not afford during the Clinton administration. Something for nothing...the great thinking shared by those who espouse all things beautiful. That would include many in present day Europe.

It was accelerated in 2004 by Barnie Frank and other espousers of all things beautiful when they (and I watched the proceedings - I'm not much into getting my info from other people) shot down all attempts to regulate Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.

Anyway, Euros and Democrats. Guilty. Bush and Republicans. Guilty. But less guilty.
 
 justsumguy  31 Oct 2008 23:55
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 Thanks for providing a good illustration of just how deep down dumb so many Americans are. What exactly do you mean by the French, Germans and Russians standing alongside you, and how would that have made any difference?
by  Hidell
 01 Nov 2008 13:17
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LOLOLO! Hoo Hoo Hoo. Stop it. You are killing me! Oh boy, this is A RIOT! Haa haa haa.....
 
 Bugman  31 Oct 2008 23:52
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 I'm sorry, is this a serious debate response?
by  chaew
 01 Nov 2008 00:12
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Oh, please. We had perfect reason to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. WE WERE ATTACKED FIRST, so we retaliated. I honestly don't see what the big deal is...
 
 AxemRanger  31 Oct 2008 23:24
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 Are you kidding? Attacked by whom?
by  chaew
 31 Oct 2008 23:33
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