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I am not sure which side to cast my vote on, as there should be no religion involved in government
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I agree. But then again, I also believe that the Native Americans should have more of a say in this
as they belonged to America far longer than anyone else. |
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Early America was indeed founded on Judeo-Christian ideals, but it wasn't the only ideals it was
founded on. It was also founded on Greek and Roman ideals as well. Lets not forget that. Lets
also not set aside the fact that most of our Founding Fathers were apart of the Masonic order. If
you believe the Masonic order is purely Christian, then you are mistaken; however, it cannot be
denied that our Founding Fathers held the Judeo-Christian belief to be the dominant belief. Anyone
who visits our Nations capital can see the Judeo-Christian influence mingled with Masonic symbolism.
They knew what they believed and though they believed in religious freedom, I also believe they
intended for the country to remain in line with the Judeo-Christian mindset. It has remained that
way for the most part, but it is being systematically picked apart and discarded. A move I believe
to be a mistake. |
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First of all, we don't have to change a single thing for immigrants, especially the illegal ones. I
am so sick and tired of seeing Spanish signs without a single English word on it! Who knows what it
means besides Spanish/Mexicans or Language experts?! We have already forgotten all of the things
that made us stand out in the world besides Baseball and Football. The friendly hospitality and no
work on Sundays, friendly smiles to strangers and greets are now mostly found only in the remote
parts of the south. Now we have to have our doors locked and guns loaded just in case the guy who
broke in to the neighbors house might stike ours! Statistics prove that America started going down
hill when they took Christianity out of public schools,crime rates, school shootings, drop outs all
rose sky high after they took God out of schools |
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First of this country was based on christian beliefs and over time we are not allowed to say
anything on that in our schools as far educating our children in this belief,i am a veteran and my
kids are not even able to say the pledge or any thing with the word God in it.it seems that we are
always standing up for others rights and neglecting our own. |
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America was founded on God. If those who come to the United States do not like it, they could deal
with it or go somewhere else. I would not go to another country to live and expect their government
to change their laws for me. And if i did expect it, they still would not do it. As Americans,
we've got to keep something of our own. We have become so PC that we are losing sight of what is
really important. We have taken God out of everything and we sit here and wonder why we're at war
and we scream that it's injustice but it isn't unjust to remove prayer from schools. Maybe that's
why we see so many school shootings these days, we've made it so easy to not be held accountable for
horrible acts done to other people because we've taken God away.
This country is going to hell in a handbasket. We are sooo the laughing stock of other
countries it hurts. |
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I agree what dose this have to do with immigrants? But we should be able to say merry christmas. And
Ho Ho. Ok You butt people I don't think that little kids get that meaning of ho ho. There not going
to go call someone that. Why should these kids be punished for that/ I would think that people would
get there heads out of there asses and know that it is a holiday for goodness sakes. |
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I agree. Happy holidays is way to generic, and i feel like Christmas has lost all its magic. And I'm
an atheist for crying out loud. I hate that Canada and America (I'm Canadian) has lost all its
tradition to accommodate immigrants who are mostly illegal.
And i strongly agree with the believes of sceptic101.if you want to move here so frigging bad why
change it???...its not just a big plot of land to me its my home and native land.
I like hot chocolate, i like building snowmen, i love hockey, and I'm proud to be Canadian.
Cheers, to the canucks lol |
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YOU ARE RIGHT: IT IS NOT RIGHT FOR ANY PERSON TO CHANGE RELIGION JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE HAS A
DIFFERENT RELIGION. America was NOT-NEVER- FOUNDED BY THOSE WHO WROTE THE CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF
RIGHTS AS A 'CHRISTIAN NATION' . Most of those who signed it were definitely not Christian, not
Christian. They did not put 'in god we trust' on our coins. They did not put anything about God in
the constitution. They ONLY, and wonderfully, acknowledged religion by saying that no religion
could become a state religion "separation of church and state" not "God" or any reference to any
HIgher Being. Because there is no official U>S> religion, this debate statement is wrong. |
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There are some logical points in my pocket which is going to show that why the US government should
not change its religious beliefs to accommodate to immigrants. While immigrating to a different
country the incomers must respect the religious beliefs run by their host country. They should not
forget their own religious beliefs but just to admire the people of the country as well as their
religion. They should keep in mind that it is not right to change the religious beliefs of the
country only for them. If they make it a large issue then the long run religious beliefs would get
insulted as well as the respect of the people. It will be better to try out and live life there in
complete harmony which does not mean to change the host country’s religious beliefs to accommodate
them. |
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THANKYOU! AMEN! It's about time the 84% (us Christians) of America's population stood up for
ourselves, our children
and of course GOD. I wish more people would!!!!!!!!!
Our country was founded on God, if you don't believe so, look at the dollar bill, the bible in the
courtroom, the constitution of the US, the 10 commandments we USED to live by in law from the
government, all the official holidays, (which btw if they want to be secular then why are we paying
them for our religious holidays???) need i go on???? I bet you can find others.... |
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The United States should not have to change it's fundamental religious beliefs to accommodate
immigrants.
When people immigrate they have to accept the underlying religious beliefs of the host country,
though they shouldn't be forced into accepting them as their own religion.
Incomers have to have their beliefs respected but no changed should be made to the fundamental
religion of the state.
This is topical in the UK also has has lead to some bad feelings as people feel that their religion
and way of life is somewhat threatened by high numbers of immigrants with different religious codes
and much of the fear is unfounded. It's often a case of not or misunderstanding other faiths and
cultures.
It's better to try and live in harmony and toleration but this shouldn't mean changing the host
country's religion to accommodate others. |
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I agree with you. We have had similar problems and debates here in the UK.
We base our society on certain freedoms and human rights and we shouldn't have to modify our society
to meet the needs of incomers. We are doing to much to try and accommodate incomers at the expense
of our own traditions and culture and we wouldn't get the same treatment in some of the country's
some incomes come from.
Of course incomers should be allowed to practice most of their own beliefs at home but they should
be told that we are Christian/secular majorities and these are the religious ways of our lands.
I think that the growth of racism and religious intolerance is to the ridiculous denial of our own
culture and religion. Most reasonable people, indigenous or incomers are respectful of each others
religions.
Of course it's nonsense to say Happy Holiday instead of Happy Christmas. It's Christmas we
celebrate and Christmas it is . |
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I think that the immigrants that come to this country should deal with the way we live our live and
don't expect to change our religious beliefs just because they clash with yours if you don't want to
live here then fined the boarder! |
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I didn't know I was all of a sudden living in another country with a national religion! Isn't that
what the settlers came here for? What happened to the separation of church and state? Our government
isn't a church! Also, most of the founding fathers had slaves...does that mean we should do that
too? Come on now We are all from immigrants (except American Indians). So if they say Merry
Christmas can they say happy Hannakah too? |
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Well you can't have English town in China. If the shoe was on the other foot no one would modify
Muslim faith to accommidate the American citizens in their country |
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I’m an American born and bred. My family goes back to the 1800s. I’m not a Christian. And even
though the highest law of the land clearly states that I have the freedom to make my own choices in
this regard I have always been forced to accommodate Christian beliefs. The government is not
supposed to have a religion. Even though many of the founding fathers were Christian they had the
foresight to protect not only their own religious rights but also the rights of people who had
different religious views. Something many modern Americans seem to have forgotten. How in the world
any one could look at the current social situation in America and construe that Christians are the
ones whose religious rights are being violated is beyond me. Quite frankly I believe that any one
who feels they have the right to make their religious views the law of the land is not only
despicably prideful, foolishly self righteous, and morally corrupt but also un-American.
I unlike many of the people on the other side of this column respect other peoples beliefs and only
demand the same consideration. |
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If you want to live in a theocracy, go to Saudi Arabia.
The only civilized societies throughout history are secular societies. In all countries where
ideologies ruled, be they religious or communist, murder of minorities and suppression of descent
were the norm.
If you are against people being "different", it's because you want to murder them, not
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How does this have to do with immigrants.. Hispanic immigrants are Christians to |
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Ever heard of 'Freedom of Religion'? And that the US shouldn't discourage or support any one
religion?
This debate is pointless. America isn't a theology, so therefore the government doesn't have a
religious belief to change.
You're saying we should do nothing to accommodate religious minorities. Does that mean that we
shouldn't have ramps for people in wheelchairs, so they don't have to use the stairs? They're in a
physical condition minority, after all. Should we never have made any civil rights amendments?
That's making accommodations for a minority.
Everyone who obeys our laws should be accommodated. That includes minorities.
And why argue against change? Societies that don't change collapse. That includes religious change.
America's adapting, and so are the people in America. Deal with it. |
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I think the religious beliefs of man is what the problem is in our world. Each of us thinks our
belief is "right " and yours is "wrong". How about "what works" and " what doesn't work" Maybe
some peace will come over this soul sick planet. |
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First of all the "American Government" does not have any religious beliefs. And if the foundation
of your argument is that the country was founded on Chirstian beliefs well I hate to burst your
bubble but Christian beliefs were based on a variety of what you would call Pagan religions, from
egypt to Asyria. Jesus was one of 16 men born of a virgin in the historic record. This country was
founded on religious freedom which was one of the main reasons we came here to avoid persecution by
the Church of England. It is the ignorance of your own religion and your own country that allow
for an ignorant statement like "The American Government Should Not Have To Change Its Religious
Beliefs To Accommodate To Immigrants." |
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The American government does not represent a religion, does not have religious beliefs, and was not
founded on a religion. |
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The US should should do what every it takes to make immigrants feel welcome. After all every one in
the US is an immigrant, the only real US citizens now live on land reserves, and it was OK to force
them to meet the Europeans requirements when you went over there in the first place. |
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The U.S. Government (not the "American government" because America includes many more nations in the
hemisphere, but I know what you mean) is not Christian. Look at all of the paganish things in
Washington D.C. The obelisk is found in pagan Egypt as well as on this "Christian land" and
represents a male's genital. The dome represents a breast. It is non- and even anti-Christian. Many
"forefathers" were not Christian. Look at their pagan gravesites. I used to believe that this was a
country originally Christian, but I see now it is not the case. The first invaders from Europe to
come here were seeking freedom to be their version of Christianity but they did not establish the
government as much as the secular Masons soon after. Some stuff can be found at
http://nobeliefs.com/pagan.htm. I am not a pagan but what that pagan says about the U.S. Of America,
as far as I have seen- seems to be true. |
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It would be pretty hypocritical to tell these "newcomers" as you call them that they should "deal
with it", because why did the pilgrims cross the Atlantic in the first place? Because they were
being persecuted by the Church of England and wanted religious freedom. Jump a couple hundred
years--and you are going to tell the new people that cross borders to "deal with it?" That's not
what America is about. America is a melting pot, that accepts and embraces everyone. The fact that
there is a majority of one faith does not mean that that faith gets better treatment than the
minorities. That's WHY America is so great. Because it respects the minorities. Look into other
countries and minorities don't get the same respect that they deserve.
I think what you are saying is absolutely wrong.
What I do think though, is that we definitely need to keep English as our language. Already there
are areas in our country where if you don't speak Spanish, you are in trouble. Immigrants should
have to learn our language. |
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The United States is supposed to stand for freedom of religion. That doesn't just mean christian
religion, it means ALL religions. You are free to practice, or not, as you see fit, so is everyone
else. |
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Counterpoint -
The American govt. Shouldn't have religious beliefs. Separation of church and state. |
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One of the foundational principles of the United States of America was that of the separation of
church and state. It's an admirable concept, although one that's more honoured in the breach than in
the observance, judging by your recent history.
Regardless, it's not really true to say that the United States was founded on Christian ideas and
methods.
You say the switch to "Happy Holidays" is to accommodate immigrants. That's only really true if your
definition of immigrants spans the generations and includes even those who were born in the United
States. Many Jewish people emigrated to the United States in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
Their descendants are clearly part of the group that is left out by "Merry Christmas". Are they
"immigrants"?
That said, I think there's something to be said for the maintenance of tradition and, yes, I think
immigrants and their descendants should strive to make some accommodation with the native culture.
So I agree that replacing "Merry Xmas" with "Happy Holidays" is ill-judged, even if I don't agree
with some of your broader sentiments. |
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The American government does not subscribe to any single religion as such, even if the majority of
elected officials at all levels of government belong to a Christian denomination. Even though most
politicians identify themselves with Christianity--as does the majority of the American
population--if a country chooses to accept immigrants, then it must also realize that this will
result in a more multicultural and diverse society.
Immigrants contribute greatly to the US economy, often filling low paying, vacant jobs and sometimes
bringing with them important professional skills. While the majority population rightly expects
immigrants to integrate into mainstream society, America also has a duty to accommodate their
religious beliefs, whenever these do not contravene the laws of the land.
The US is not forced to accept immigrants--it usually does so because it realizes the economic
benefits. As such, people must also accept that immigration over an extended period of time can
transform society itself. |
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