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Supreme Court Judges Allowing Gay Marriages After Beingvoted Down Is Wrong
This is not to bash gay marriage, this is about Supreme Court Judges playing Law Maker when the people voted it down. This just happened in California.
 stever  31 May 2008 01:29
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Undemocratic, at least
 
 ur_wrong  06 Jun 2008 02:53
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This is the problem with America's activist, out-of-control justice system, where judges (and prosecutors) seem to so often behave like demi-gods. The fact that this reality is reflected within the Supreme Court is, of course, not surprising. Although I support the legalization of same-sex marriage, I also believe that if a society feels that it is not ready to accept it and they express this opinion in a referendum, then the highest courts in the land are in no position to overturn this judgment; at least not in a democracy. My main problem with this approach is that judges seem to think that they know best, and are willing to ignore the will of the voting public, thus treating them like little children who are not mature enough to make their own decisions.

The only way to solve this problem is to throw a bucket of cold water on the Supreme Court judges, by giving elected officials the power to ignore decisions rendered by these courts. This effectively means that if the court compels California to legalize same-sex marriage, then the government should have the power to invoke a notwithstanding clause, which would allow it to temporarily delay legalization. This means that the government would still eventually have to face the issue of same sex marriage, but it would be given a reprieve of five to seven years, by which time public opinion may also change. If not, then it would have the power to delay a final decision on the matter yet again.
 
 mackenzie  31 May 2008 08:26
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 The problem with that is the politicians don't want to touch it. They are cowards on something like this. They know that the majority is against it, but they are overwhelmingly for it. They will, and have, done everything to get away from dealing with it head on. Here in Mass the shenanigans that went on by the legislature was embarrassing to say the least.
As i had said, i really struggle with this, because what i want goes against what i think is right in a constitutional sense. I then ask, do you think it a civil right, and if so, does that change anything? If it is, it should bounce back to the legislature, i believe anyway.
by  innomen
 31 May 2008 17:47
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The fundamental idea of the Supreme Court, that a bunch of unelected judges should be able to make sweeping decisions which affect the lives of a country's citizens in fundamental ways, is wrong. If the rights were precisely enumerated, and the judges contented themselves with implementing them in practice, there might be no harm in it. History shows that they do not do this, however. They take ambiguous phrases and grotesquely distort their meaning to apply to circumstances which can never have been intended by the legislators who originally passed them. The Supreme court awarding the 2000 election to Bush is one particularly gross example of this.

This is not to say that the decisions they arrive at always have adverse effects. For example, I approve of the effects of the Roe vs Wade decision which granted women the right to have abortions. But look at the way it was arrived at. The decision was based on a highly idiosyncratic interpretation of the ninth amendment. The freedom of American women to have abortions should not be hanging on such a shoogly peg.

Attempts to restrict corporate lobbying and interference in politics have been struck down on the basis that corporations are people and therefore have the right to free speech and that giving money is the equivalent of speech.

It also encourages irresponsibility in politicians. They know that the Supreme Court is there to act as a bulwark on certain issues, so they feel free to indulge their demagogic tendencies, posturing on certain issues, knowing they will never have to confront the practical consequences of their posture turning into policy.
 
 Hidell  31 May 2008 02:38
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I have a real hard time with this. I am gay, and i am for gay marriage, but i don't believe the Supreme Court should legislate. It is not their function to make law, but to interpret law.

However, the real question is, is marriage a civil right that gays and lesbians should be excluded from. Then the question goes to what is the definition of marriage, because no one is denying gays and lesbians marriage, just not to each other. So the definition of marriage needs to be looked at. Is it a man and a woman or is it something more or different? Does the acceptance of a class of people by society, which was previously not accepted, permit the definition of marriage to change?

To me, Yes.
 
 innomen  31 May 2008 01:43
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 I knew this would be a difficult one for you, that's why I put my explanation there like I did, but this just happened in California and I just wanted to see peoples reactions.
by  stever
 31 May 2008 01:53
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