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Strong Atheists Usually Have A History Of Bad Relationships With Their Fathers
It is not true of all atheists, but surveys have demonstrated that strong atheists have very dysfunctional relationships with their fathers. One often hears how God is the grand "fix" for believers' psychological issues and problems, but I find it interesting that the fatherless and those with poor relationships with their biological fathers are most likely to become ardent atheists. What are the psychological implications for this phenomenon?
 charlee  26 Oct 2009 13:06
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You are talking about the study by Paul Vitz which has been entirely discredited. It is based on the study of 12 cherry picked Atheists from history. In every way it is meaningless as an accurate study. The group is too small to be statistically representative in any way. It was not chosen randomly which would nullify results even if the size didn’t. Under such conditions I could easily put together a ‘study’ showing that Christians tend to be serial killers.

I cannot stress enough how important it is for people to examine propaganda critically.
 
 finsch  27 Oct 2009 01:29
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 I don't believe I mentioned a "study" ; I simply mentioned surveys. Take what ever level of evidence you will from it.
by  charlee
 27 Oct 2009 13:55
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The “study” you mention seems exceptionally questionable. I’m not convinced for a minute that a poor relationship with one’s biological father is, in any way, the primary cause of someone’s crossover to atheism. Taking a few prominent atheists who had bad relationships with their fathers, comparing them to a few prominent theists who didn’t, and concluding that atheism is brought about by bad fathering isn‘t conducting a study. It’s nitpicking. Call me crazy, but the foundation for that particular “study” appears rather shaky. It generalizes too much to be accurate. It reminds me of similar “studies” I’ve heard some people mention where someone concludes that God is the grand “fix” for a believer’s psychological issues and problems. Are you trying to fight stupidity with stupidity Charlee?
 
 Hizashi  27 Oct 2009 00:34
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 You're right, Hizashi, my comment was a bit of a reaction to statements regarding believers who need God as the grand "fix" for their psychological issues. Both views commit the genetic fallacy actually; so point well taken. I did use the term "surveys" and not actual studies or experiments in my original assertion, which connotes a lesser degree of significance as evidence.
by  charlee
 27 Oct 2009 14:03
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I'm proudly atheist, so is my dad, and we get on just fine
 
 nickwhan  26 Oct 2009 22:54
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 G'donya!
by  charlee
 26 Oct 2009 23:16
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Balderdash. (Ha). "Some studies" - tell us what studies so we can look them up.

I'm confident you'll find atheists in a wide dispersal of society, from both genders, all ages, multiple ethnic groups, every economic class, and from well adjusted families just the same as broken families.
 
 Grenache  26 Oct 2009 20:45
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 The survey most influential is the one Vitz performs himself in his book. He describes the father/son and father/daughter relationships in the lives of some of the most ardent and famous atheist thinkers. He then analyzes the relationships between rather well-known Christian thinkers and compares the two surveys. Granted, it is not profoundly scientific to call it a "study", but it does give one some interesting and thought provoking stuff. I read the book a number of years ago, but I think my references are accurate.
by  charlee
 26 Oct 2009 21:46
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What if your dads an athiest too??

Then they'd have lots in common, and get on fine.
 
 caityjaney  26 Oct 2009 20:25
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So... Where was this data collected from again?
 
 joylove101  26 Oct 2009 20:23
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Doesn't sound likely.
 
 Quincel  26 Oct 2009 18:33
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Lol...huh??? Where was that survey taken?
At the home for atheist boys who had bad relations with their fathers?
 
 justsumguy  26 Oct 2009 17:04
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Just utter nonsense. Charlee you likeable but bizarre character, why are you so desperate to link not believing in your god to being less of a person. If it works for you - fine, get on with it but please stop all this crazy, illogical cr p.
 
 StBalders  26 Oct 2009 16:18
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 Thanks for the complement (i think) lol.....I wouldn't put it in the nonsense category, just throwing out the notion that one's psyche can perhaps effect one's view towards God or nonGod. Seems like there could be some correlation and possible causation at some level. No one has to believe in my God (and he really isn't "my" God). I don't think I have ever said that not believing in "my God" makes anyone a lesser person. My view, is the same as most other's here, which is, I believe, to bring reasonable and hopefully thought-provoking topics to the table. (Sometimes I do throw out a topic in response to some anti-theist's posting). I really don't need to be a bore, if others think it's a waste of their time I shall be happy to listen and perhaps respond accordingly. (interesting, St. Balders, you are the first person who has called me Bizarre, at least to my "face;" I'll have to think about that one. :-)
by  charlee
 26 Oct 2009 21:56
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Hah, wouldn't that be more descriptive of Christians who are trying desperately to replace their relationship with their real fathers with one with an imaginary father-figure in the sky?

Where do you get this nonsense?
 
 Cephus  26 Oct 2009 14:52
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Actually, strong atheists have a strong background in SCIENCE and MICROBIOLOGY
 
 hodver  26 Oct 2009 14:21
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Check out, FAITH OF THE FATHERLESS: THE PSYCHOLOGY OF ATHEISM by Paul C. Vitz. By the way, K9, would you be willing to share the history of your relationship with your father? (oops, this should be under K9's vote.)
 
 charlee  26 Oct 2009 13:50
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 "By the way, K9, would you be willing to share the history of your relationship with your father?" a tad personal don't you think?
by  Quincel
 26 Oct 2009 16:19
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Name one such survey from a reputable source.

Your claim and flying monkeys have the same source.

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I said reputable.

Vitz is a known apologist who has a pre-disposed view and who falsifies and alters data to fit his "theory". That's not science, that's Lysenkoism. Vitz is as much a fraud as the "prayer studies" that were debunked.
 
 K9  26 Oct 2009 13:39
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 see above......
by  charlee
 26 Oct 2009 13:52
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