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Agree that this will be a major contributor to SS and Medicare failure, although there are a host of
others through government "wisdom."
I have argued before that anyone who has had an abortion(s); or anyone who supports abortion is
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Social security is as much a Ponzi scheme as was Madoff's. It's existence depends on an ever
growing number of suckers at the bottom paying in to pay early players at the top. The only
solution is gradual phase out: A partial cut back on benefits in the short term and a larger cut in
the long term, eventually to be phased out and people paying lower taxes with an obligation to save
for their own retirement.
As for abortion, you raised the topic, buggerer. If you didn't want it mention, you shouldn't have
said it yourself.
A reasonable estimate of US population lost since 1973 is at most five million. The real reason
Social Security is going to fail is that workers don't earn enough money and their taxed
contributions are not enough to pay for the promised benefits of Social Security.
Blame corporations for cutting wages and increasing prices while over $100billion dollars in tax
revenue is lost due to tax loopholes. And blame the anti-abortion-but-pro-war morons who wasted
trillions of dollars on two pointless wars. The money wasted lining the pockets of arms makers and
companies like Halliburton would have covered the debt of Social Security. |
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The reasons most people get abortions are the same factors that lead to problematic childhoods and
problematic adults. So the ratio of use of and contribution to public resources are likely to be
quite skewed from the norm. In fact those people might well have represented a net loss to social
security. Additionally social security as such was designed as a supplemental source of income so it
is quite hard for it to fail altogether. In fact it has been suggested that the economic downturn
would have to be so bad and of such length that the failure of social security would be the least of
our concerns. |
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I can't agree with this as you haven't mentioned the potential cost to the Social Security system of
30 million(?) more people. You also haven't considered the reduction in crime that abortion is
supposedly meant to have brought about since the early to mid nineties as a result of legalised
abortion. |
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This is a very interesting idea and while I don't have any facts to back up my argument, it's hard
for me to beleive that abortion is the primary cause for failure of SS. |
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1) "Back alley" abortions existed long before it was legal and there are no figures for it, and
there's no proof the 30 million abortions you claim is a larger number than before it was legal. 2)
Your argument makes no account for immigration which has been massive over the time period in
question. 3) Your argument assumes all of those 30 million would have been gainfully employed. How
do you know that? If they were from desperate and poor parents they may have ended up welfare state
supported themselves instead of paying into it. 4) Your argument lays no blame on spending, just on
the numbers paying in versus receiving, and the truth is if we had done more over the years to bring
health care costs under control it would have remained a viable safety net longer. Bad spending
history cancels out any good you would claim from those purported 30 million abortions paying in
taxes. You yourself know Bugman the main reason the government runs out of money is it pisses away
the money it does get. |
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As always with you Bug, I'm torn but erring to disagree. Abortion has certainly not helped those
calculations, but I think other things have been bigger issues. Massive improvements in healthcare
and diet have caused the number of people reaching 80+ to skyrocket. Since we need 3 (or 4, or
whatever) earners to cover each retiree, and the extremely old cost the most (they need the most
government aid through healthcare and so on) I'd argue the increase of old, not the decrease of
young has been the killer (no pun intended). Because each old person has an impact of 3 or 4 times
that of each aborted person, see? |
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