Smoking Should Be Banned In Pub's Beer Gardens

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Here in England, whenever I go for a quiet relaxing pint of beer, and a breath of fresh air, pub beer gardens are full of herds of smokers, puffing away on their cancer sticks, still moaning about not being allowed to smoke inside. They want banning off the premises altogether.

joe9

21 Jul 2008 09:59

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The lovely beer gardens of England are being ruined by smokers puffing away on their cancer sticks, they get right up my nose! They have absolutely no consideration for non-smokers, who can smell them a mile away. They stink of smoke when they come back into a pub. They want banning from pubs completely. I thought the cold sharp shock during the winter would help them to pack up. Watching them stand outside pubs freezing their mitts off was laughable. However, even that didn't do the trick, they seem to congregate in even larger numbers now, stinking out our lovely English beer gardens. Do us all a favour PACK UP NOW! SMOKING KILLS!!

joe9

22 Jul 2008 14:44

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Given that you live in England, just go inside. It's hardly a penance to not drink beer in the beer garden, last year all the smokers were kicked outside nationwide, I'd hardly say non-smokers have much to complain about now.

Quincel

22 Jul 2008 18:06

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Smokers can go outside where the fumes won't effect anyone but themselves. They might want to consider packing up and that will effect even them.

keepmindok

22 Jul 2008 13:22

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Beer Gardens are outside, hence my objection to this debate but vehement support for the smoking ban.

Quincel

22 Jul 2008 14:20

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I agree. Though normally smoking and drinking come hand in hand, they should have separate sections for smokers and non-smokers.

Dawgs_rule

22 Jul 2008 05:32

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In England and Wales a nation wide ban of smoking inside all public place, except the house of commons bar and prisons, was introduced 1st July 20007. This follows many countries in the EU. Poland and some other eastern European countries are still struggling with the idea.
There has been resounding support for the ban and all the smokers seam to be quite accepting of the idea. Cough! Smoking is dying a death!

keepmindok

22 Jul 2008 13:55

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With this i entirely disagree - we've had the indoor smoking ban, but surely we can't complain about smokers going outside?

You know it's quite interesting, because i seem to have missed the point where smoking became a socially acceptable prejudice. When i could go to a supermarket and not like the herds of fat people in aisle 4 but dare i say that i want them banned from the supermarket because i don't like the smell and it's spoiling my shopping experience.

Smokers have become a hated group - do we ever hear people saying "lets help the smokers" like we hear people say "the obese need help".

Perhaps it's me - but i just think that if people don't like smokers smoking outside then perhaps they should just go back into their nice and smoke free pub and let us all outside freezing our asses off carry on.

Damian

24 Jul 2008 00:54

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Joe9 you are one funny guy. I genuinely find what you say intelligent and witty; a true Englishman - like myself.
But, unlike you, I smoke. I smoke where ever I'm allowed to smoke and to be honest I was stunned by the sheep-like following the smoking band received when introduced in England; a common mentality which is sweeping our country.
I mean, on the one hand, I can understand the hatred you have towards the smell and so on. But I don't like hearing people swearing, but I hear it all the time! Big deal!! I can put up with things that I don't agree with and still enjoy my time.
We are just so politically correct and so angry with any tiny little possible cause of offence that someone may be doing nowadays, it's just getting ridiculous!
Live and let live joe9. Chill out and have a fag.

dan

23 Jul 2008 21:07

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Thanks Dan, but almost every smoker I bump into hates their filthy, dirty, smelly, disgusting stinking habit. You seem very intelligent yourself, surely you are not one of these dunderheads who spends twenty minutes in the morning coughing their guts up, who then say to themselves, once I have a cig I'll be alright? or if they do something strenuous they have to stop several times to have a puff on their cancer sticks to get their breath back. This is illogical. Smoking wants banning off all public streets and out of all public places. I don't mind you smoking at home, but even that is very detrimental if you have children, friends or a wife who don't smoke or want to pack up. I suggest you should chill out with some cold turkey, and pack up Dan!

joe9

23 Jul 2008 21:49

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Ha! Nice come-back joe9. And a good amount of what you say has merit, although as regards to it relating directly to my life, it kind of doesn’t.
Firstly, I clearly do not hate my habit of smoking, which is why I do it and see no problem with others doing it. 
Secondly, for whatever reason, I don’t actually wake up coughing and spluttering. But if I did, I wouldn’t ever think that smoking would fix it and therefore solve my coughing fit in the mornings. I’m definitely knowledgeable enough to understand that.
Thirdly, I completely agree with the point you made that it is illogical if a smoker becomes out of breathe from doing a strenuous task and then has to have a cigarette to catch their breathe. For the record I do many a strenuous task in my daily life (that wasn’t a smutty joke by the way) and do not find myself short of breath when doing so. I am quite a fit guy to be honest. 
But your original comment was orientated by smokers being in and around pubs. You must drink, right? I’m not a chain-smoking low-life whose life is dictated by cigarettes. And I very much doubt you have any problem with drinking too much alcohol. We are both damaging our bodies and do it through choice and are in control because we are responsible adults.
If smoking should be band so should alcohol.

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Yo!! I go to a bar to relax. Smoke AND Drink. If it was MY Bar, I WOULD BAR NON-SMOKERS. Y'all can always go across the street and not bother the people who are old enough to make their own choices and being over 18 have the legal right to buy tobacco.
Next y'all will be telling us we cant smoke in our own homes, cars either. Just in case we wanna sell our house or trade in our car it would not be available to a non-ny !!

Kay-O-Kay

22 Jul 2008 14:15

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It should be up to the pub owner. If they want to cater to either group they can. It’s a business choice. Perhaps you could have smoking licenses and only give so many in an area based on a percentage of pubs in the area. Then you could assure smoking and non-smoking environments, locally.

finsch

22 Jul 2008 13:44

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Okay.
If you want to enjoy a breath of fresh air,
Go to the park.
Don't expect to look for it in a BAR!
Hello?!
Seriously. Bars are for that stuff!

ash-6694

22 Jul 2008 04:16

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Hi Ash What if people want to have a breath of fresh air and be in a bar or restaurant?

keepmindok

22 Jul 2008 13:20

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Then what would make it a bar if there was no one smoking in there HA-HA

Simpsons11

21 Jul 2008 21:56

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ever heard of a crow bar?that's where crows hang out.

keepmindok

22 Jul 2008 16:16

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It never bothers me.

And since when did pubs let 12 year old in?

Snipex

21 Jul 2008 13:15

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Awww Snipex, you just beat me to it.

Jahwobble

21 Jul 2008 13:21

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Why should you be able to force your lifestyle choice on others? The risk of passive smoking in the open air is minor, so they are not forcing it on you. The smell is unfortunate, but it's not as if you can't get fresh air by walking somewhere else.

Quincel

21 Jul 2008 10:39

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Why should you have to force your life style onto non smokers. Why should we have to bend over backwards to accomodate you you walk away to the far corner of the beer garden and come back when you've finished smoking.

maugatar

21 Jul 2008 11:22

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Would it not be more advantageous if some pubs allowed smoking in the beer gardens and some didn't. Then both smokers and non-smokers would be able to exercise choice and would both be able to relax with a pint of beer and a breath of fresh air.

Kirsty08

21 Jul 2008 10:27

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