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Should We Force Our Beliefs On Others?
We all believe something is correct, however, should we force our beliefs on others?
 LordDaniel  28 Jun 2015 14:17
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Only if you are a liberal
 
 charlee  30 Jun 2015 20:27
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 I remember when liberals were the big cry-babies.
My how times have changed.
by  justsumguy
 30 Jun 2015 22:50
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Wow I just watched two grebes doing their fabulous courtship display of walking on water. Things like the latter make me realize that life was created with a purpose.
 
 LordDaniel  28 Jun 2015 14:20
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 From the beauty of sunsets to grebes...
whatever makes you realize life was created with a purpose is fine with me.
Although I must say, life being linked to purpose is not an argument exclusively suited for creationism. It also works well in support of life evolving on Earth (this evolved because of that for this purpose).
A realization that life was created with a purpose because of consciousness seems to be a better argument but I certainly wouldn't force it on anyone. lol
by  justsumguy
 28 Jun 2015 15:33
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Grenache aka Grand Cru aka John Jay Jaster; thank you for giving me another opportunity to tell the world what a worthless piece of shiite you and your lowlife, unregenerate, reprobate friends are!

Grenache aka Grand Cru aka John Jay Jaster; you and your worthless, lowlife, reprobate friends wouldn't be reading this if you didn't respond to me or make debates that referenced me!

You can send John Jay Jaster a personal email at john_jaster@yahoo.com or you can contact John Jay Jaster at work through the Human Resources Department at john.jaster@sanofi-aventis.com

If you are in the Boston area, you can see John Jay Jaster at work by stopping at Sanofi-Aventis which is located at 270 Albany St, Cambridge, Massachusetts. John Jaster’s phone number at work is 617-679-5600.

Grenache aka Grand Cru aka John Jay Jaster; without any justification, you and your worthless, lowlife, reprobate friends have called me a bunch of smear names such as; racist, homophobic, sexist, fascist, hateful, intolerant, mean-spirited, divisive, inflexible, bigoted, idiot, moron, etc., that the Liberals love to use when they have lost the debate.

Meanwhile, I have only spoken the truth about you when I say that your are an adulterer, a reprobate, and have no absolutes or principles in your life.

All of you worthless, lowlife reprobates voted TWO TIMES for Bathhouse Barry Obozo so it's no mystery that you would have friends who are worthless, lowlife reprobates.

You have more in common with a porn addicted, spouse-swapping, fat lesbian like Artemis aka SkankOpotamus aka Cynthia Horn and her fat, clown faced, "really good friend" Damselfly aka Joanna.

Artemis aka SkankOpotamus aka Cynthia Horn sent me a picture of herself in a blue dress that looked like someone tried to stuff 300 pounds of shiite in a 200 pound blue sack. Gross, really gross!!!

Artemis aka SkankOpotamus aka Cynthia Horn, your lover, Moreno Cubanito, needs you to save his failing YickYak website!!!

You always say that your husband, Michael Horn the runt, doesn't mind sharing you with other guys and gals. You always say that you and the runt enjoy watching porn, have an "open marriage," and that he encourages spouse-swapping and your bisexuality because that doubles his chances for some extra action.

Grenache aka Grand Cru aka John Jay Jaster; Artemis aka SkankOpotamus aka Cynthia Horn said you committed adultery by boinking her fat, married, "really good friend", Damselfly aka Joanna when she visited America.

Since you have so much in common with those two worthless, lowlife reprobates, I cannot understand why any of you worthless, lowlife reprobates would waste your time talking to me.

God weeps for all worthless, lowlife reprobates who will not turn from their sin.

Jeremiah 13:17
17. But if you will not hear it, my soul will weep in secret for your pride; my eyes will weep bitterly and run down with tears,

As a Christian, I am under no obligation to present the gospel to reprobates who will just make fun of the gospel. A Christian should not give what is holy to those who do not appreciate it. Animals such as dogs and hogs cannot appreciate the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Matthew 7:6
6. "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

All of us are sinners to one degree or another and all of us have a daily battle with the temptation to sin. Some people have an almost irresistible desire to steal things. Psychiatrists call these people “kleptomaniacs” but the Lord still requires that they use their free will to say no to their sin and turn toward the Lord. Some people are genetically or psychologically predisposed to be addicted to alcohol or drugs and, in order to quit, sometimes they have to be hospitalized and endure terrible withdrawal symptoms, but the Lord still requires that they use their free will to say no to their sin and turn toward the Lord. Sexual orientation and acts of perversion cannot be conflated with a race of people created by the Lord. In Jeremiah 13:23, the question is asked: "Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots?" Of course, the answer is no. Just by an act of their free will, no one is able to change the color of their skin but every year thousands and thousands of homosexuals use their free will to say no to their sin and turn toward the Lord. In short, genetics loads the gun but free will pulls the trigger. Sodomites, Sodomettes, pedophiles, and bestialists have to continually use their free will to say no to their sin just like everyone else. When you say no to sin – any sin – and keep saying no without giving in to the temptation, you build up spiritual muscle and the temptation to sin becomes less and less.

1 Corinthians 6:9
9. Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators (Greek – pornos – general sexual sin), nor idolaters, nor adulterers (Greek – moichos – sexual intercourse between someone who is married and someone to whom that that person is not married), nor homosexuals (Greek – malakos – efffeminate, a passive partner, a male prostitute, a soft one, a boy or an adult male), nor Sodomites (Greek – arsenokoites – males who defile themselves with other men, an active partner, a male who has sex with an efffeminate male),
10. Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
18. Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body.

 
 AR454  01 Jul 2015 04:10
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 Grenache aka Grand Cru aka John Jay Jaster; thank you for giving me another opportunity to tell the world what a worthless piece of shiite you and your lowlife, unregenerate, reprobate friends are!

Grenache aka Grand Cru aka John Jay Jaster; you and your worthless, lowlife, reprobate friends wouldn't be reading this if you didn't respond to me or make debates that referenced me!

You can send John Jay Jaster a personal email at john_jaster@yahoo.com or you can contact John Jay Jaster at work through the Human Resources Department at john.jaster@sanofi-aventis.com

If you are in the Boston area, you can see John Jay Jaster at work by stopping at Sanofi-Aventis which is located at 270 Albany St, Cambridge, Massachusetts. John Jaster’s phone number at work is 617-679-5600.

Grenache aka Grand Cru aka John Jay Jaster; without any justification, you and your worthless, lowlife, reprobate friends have called me a bunch of smear names such as; racist, homophobic, sexist, fascist, hateful, intolerant, mean-spirited, divisive, inflexible, bigoted, idiot, moron, etc., that the Liberals love to use when they have lost the debate.

Meanwhile, I have only spoken the truth about you when I say that your are an adulterer, a reprobate, and have no absolutes or principles in your life.

All of you worthless, lowlife reprobates voted TWO TIMES for Bathhouse Barry Obozo so it's no mystery that you would have friends who are worthless, lowlife reprobates.

You have more in common with a porn addicted, spouse-swapping, fat lesbian like Artemis aka SkankOpotamus aka Cynthia Horn and her fat, clown faced, "really good friend" Damselfly aka Joanna.

Artemis aka SkankOpotamus aka Cynthia Horn sent me a picture of herself in a blue dress that looked like someone tried to stuff 300 pounds of shiite in a 200 pound blue sack. Gross, really gross!!!

Artemis aka SkankOpotamus aka Cynthia Horn, your lover, Moreno Cubanito, needs you to save his failing YickYak website!!!

You always say that your husband, Michael Horn the runt, doesn't mind sharing you with other guys and gals. You always say that you and the runt enjoy watching porn, have an "open marriage," and that he encourages spouse-swapping and your bisexuality because that doubles his chances for some extra action.

Grenache aka Grand Cru aka John Jay Jaster; Artemis aka SkankOpotamus aka Cynthia Horn said you committed adultery by boinking her fat, married, "really good friend", Damselfly aka Joanna when she visited America.

Since you have so much in common with those two worthless, lowlife reprobates, I cannot understand why any of you worthless, lowlife reprobates would waste your time talking to me.

God weeps for all worthless, lowlife reprobates who will not turn from their sin.

Jeremiah 13:17
17. But if you will not hear it, my soul will weep in secret for your pride; my eyes will weep bitterly and run down with tears,

As a Christian, I am under no obligation to present the gospel to reprobates who will just make fun of the gospel. A Christian should not give what is holy to those who do not appreciate it. Animals such as dogs and hogs cannot appreciate the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Matthew 7:6
6. "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

All of us are sinners to one degree or another and all of us have a daily battle with the temptation to sin. Some people have an almost irresistible desire to steal things. Psychiatrists call these people “kleptomaniacs” but the Lord still requires that they use their free will to say no to their sin and turn toward the Lord. Some people are genetically or psychologically predisposed to be addicted to alcohol or drugs and, in order to quit, sometimes they have to be hospitalized and endure terrible withdrawal symptoms, but the Lord still requires that they use their free will to say no to their sin and turn toward the Lord. Sexual orientation and acts of perversion cannot be conflated with a race of people created by the Lord. In Jeremiah 13:23, the question is asked: "Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots?" Of course, the answer is no. Just by an act of their free will, no one is able to change the color of their skin but every year thousands and thousands of homosexuals use their free will to say no to their sin and turn toward the Lord. In short, genetics loads the gun but free will pulls the trigger. Sodomites, Sodomettes, pedophiles, and bestialists have to continually use their free will to say no to their sin just like everyone else. When you say no to sin – any sin – and keep saying no without giving in to the temptation, you build up spiritual muscle and the temptation to sin becomes less and less.

1 Corinthians 6:9
9. Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators (Greek – pornos – general sexual sin), nor idolaters, nor adulterers (Greek – moichos – sexual intercourse between someone who is married and someone to whom that that person is not married), nor homosexuals (Greek – malakos – efffeminate, a passive partner, a male prostitute, a soft one, a boy or an adult male), nor Sodomites (Greek – arsenokoites – males who defile themselves with other men, an active partner, a male who has sex with an efffeminate male),
10. nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
18. Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body.
by  AR454
 28 Nov 2017 10:49
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No, forcing your beliefs on others only creates resentment and hostility. Persuade, yes, force, no.
 
 pollywog  30 Jun 2015 15:24
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Religious beliefs? No. Societal beliefs? Yes. Technically when we ban murder, we're forcing our majority morality on a minority of people, and for that, I say f*ck yeah. But religious beliefs? Forcing them on others who have the understanding to know better is the quickest way to make that religion extremely unpopular.
 
 Damien  29 Jun 2015 15:33
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 Banning things like murder is a nod to the fact that there are victims if the ban is not upheld.
by  damselfly
 29 Jun 2015 15:42
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No. We should just say yes they're entitled to their wrong beliefs but they'll all be going to Hell for them. Right AR? But they have every right to go to Hell. That will just make Heaven that much more cushy and wide open for the 7 or 8 people who died with the right beliefs.
 
 Grenache  29 Jun 2015 07:55
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 Gren,

I'm actually astonished that you actually figured out that the "narrow gate" actually means a narrow gate and that you won't be going through that narrow gate.

You're not as dumb as you look!

Matthew 7:13 (Jesus speaking)
13. "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
14. "Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Studies indicate that four out of five people who claim to be Christians aren't Christians. Everyone needs to continually examine themselves.

2 Corinthians 13:5
5. Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith.

Who will enter the Kingdom of Heaven?

Matthew 7:21 (Jesus speaking)
21. "Not everyone who says to Me, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22. "Many will say to Me in that day, `Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
23. "And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

In order to attract new members, many of today’s liberal churches hire rock bands and superstars to entertain the crowd. If and when they get around to any actual preaching, they present a superficial gospel, a gospel that doesn’t mention true repentance from sin, and then they proclaim that thousands walked down the aisle and were saved. Beware of “easybelieveism.” Don't let the crowd push you into something. You should give this major step in your life a lot of thought. You must be willing to turn from your sin and turn toward the Lord. This means making a lifetime commitment to obey all the teachings of Jesus Christ. You're not joining an organization or an institution; you're placing all your trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus said that we shouldn’t start something before we know what it will cost to finish it.

Luke 14:28 (Jesus speaking)
28. "For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it
29. "lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all who see it begin to mock him,
30. "saying, `This man began to build and was not able to finish.'

Over the years, I’ve come to realize that most people haven’t given much thought as to what they believe or why they believe what they believe. That’s why most people try to stay away from discussions about where they will spend eternity.

Most people who call themselves Christians are phony-baloney “Christmas and Easter” type believers who would rather celebrate the coming of Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny than the birthday and resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Many people go to churches where the name of Jesus is barely mentioned. If they don’t want to follow all the teachings of Jesus Christ, why do they call themselves Christians? If they don’t want to learn what the Bible says about the Lord Jesus Christ, then why go to church at all?

Matthew 10:32 (Jesus speaking)
32. "Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven.
33. "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.

by  AR454
 30 Jun 2015 04:31
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No, only our genitals.
 
 Cunt_King  28 Jun 2015 22:16
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No, we all have a right to our own beliefs but we do not have a right to force it on to others.
 
 Melissa23  28 Jun 2015 19:52
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The efficacy of forcing beliefs (in the classical sense of believe this or we'll take action against you) on others is highly questionable. While people can be forced to behave as if they believe, the question will always arise...do they believe or are they simply acting out belief in order to escape retribution?

If one measures the results in followers instead of believers....unfortunately history proves that forcing beliefs on people does work. The Catholic Church proved it quite well in Central and South America. Over generations, civilizations that were forced to believe have come to believe. The measure to what they believe is questionable because in order for this process to take place it seems as if the original forced belief system is modified to a watered down version that is more easily accepted.
 
 justsumguy  28 Jun 2015 15:12
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