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"Second-hand Smoke" Is Not A Fact
If you believe it is a myth opine on the AGREE side. I am undecided. If you intend to argue it is a fact, I challenge you to link, or provide legitimate medical documentation proving that a death was actually caused by second hand smoke. Good luck!
 Cons_Lies  18 Jul 2008 03:17
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Harm from passive smoking has not been proven as fact. On the other hand, I also think it is reasonable to assume that if primary smoking can be quite harmful, then passive smoking could also cause a certain level of harm, but it is this level that is in dispute. The general consensus is that this level is so minimal as to be almost not worth considering. Of course this could be proved wrong in the future, but there has already been an awful lot of money spent on research into the effects of passive smoking over the past few years and so far, zilch. The scientist who originally linked smoking with lung cancer has openly stated that he has no problem with people smoking in his presence. I am not advocating that smokers should be allowed to smoke where they like if other people object to it, but what annoys me is the hysterical media hype that makes people believe that if someone smokes within ten feet of you, then you are going to die. They might, you won’t.
 
 Jahwobble  18 Jul 2008 15:47
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 Amen.
by  Cons_Lies
 18 Jul 2008 19:06
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Trees, myth or fact? What does this debate title even mean? Debate topics are supposed to be assertions.

It's obvious that second-hand smoke exists. There is abundant evidence that it can lead to cancer. It's amusing that you keep asking for documentation on various topics. In most cases, an elementary google search will take you to tons of it.

You demand proof that a specific death has been caused by second-hand smoke. Science doesn't work that way. There are many factors that potentially contribute to cancer. The best that can be done is to analyse large populations with specific characteristics in common, observe them subjected to certain conditions and note the results. There are specific cases where non-smokers have worked in smoke-filled environments, for example pubs, and have developed lung cancer.

More generally, it is clear from scientific studies that being exposed to secondary smoke raises a person's chance of developing lung cancer significantly. In places where bans on public smoking have been introduced, there have been dramatic, and almost immediate, drops in deaths from smoking-related illnesses. This is very likely to have been the result of secondary smoke. The only alternative explanation I can see is to argue that the bans must have led smokers to give up their habit. That seems a little far-fetched.
 
 Hidell  18 Jul 2008 04:17
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 "You demand proof that a specific death has been caused by second-hand smoke. Science doesn't work that way."
Yes, science works exactly that way. In the end, there are no facts to support the notion that second hand smoke kills.
by  Cons_Lies
 18 Jul 2008 13:32
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It is a fact. I know someone who was around a smoker a lot and she died because of second hand smoke
 
 hb_26  27 Jul 2008 21:51
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Second hand smoke has been proven to cause cancer. End of discussion.

For any buttheads (i.e. Smokers) who disagree, there are the other issues of second hand smoke which cannot be denied:
- non-smokers skin and clothes are left stinking
- non-smokers eyes and throats are irritated
- smokers cause pollution in the air and leave garbage on the ground
- non-smokers are forced to endure something they do not want to experience

Anyone who says "If you don't like cigarette smoke, leave" deserves to have gasoline thrown on him. Smokers have as much right to poison non-smokers as rapists have to rape a butthead smoker.

Smoking is not a right. It's a drug addiction.
 
 K9  18 Jul 2008 19:22
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 No. Second-hand smoke has not been proven to cause cancer. I don't deny that it could, but I do deny there is any medical evidence showing that it has.

Smoking is absolutely a right. Outlaw tobacco and I'd be inclined to agree with you, but until that happens, it's a right. I do agree that it is a drug addiction.
by  Cons_Lies
 18 Jul 2008 19:40
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Consider this then; barmaids working in pubs who do not smoke still have high levels of nicotine ( and all the other chemicals ) in their systems. Surely this proves passive smoking?
 
 Snipex  18 Jul 2008 17:11
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 I don't deny passive (second-hand) smoke exists. My challenge is that I would like to see proof, not scientific threory, that second-hand smoke actually causes death.
by  Cons_Lies
 18 Jul 2008 19:09
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I don't need to prove anything......Second-hand Smoke...is as bad as smoking itself..........
 
 Preppyboi4  18 Jul 2008 16:55
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Ridiculous. The chemicals and toxins in cigarettes are thoroughly proven and lighting the devices sends them up in a cloud. We do NOT have to quote a study that directly inhaling those to the lungs second hand is bad for you. That's like saying even though arsenic as a compound can kill you there are no studies saying rolling up in a blanket sprayed with arsenic might be bad for you. Just ridiculous.
 
 Grenache  18 Jul 2008 14:19
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Second hand smoke is disgusting. It has been in some bodies lungs. I don't need a document to tell me I don't want it in mine.
 
 keepmindok  18 Jul 2008 12:19
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 So has just about every breath you've ever taken.
by  Cons_Lies
 18 Jul 2008 19:11
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I hated second smoke growing up, It made my think what would make my feel good and try things another way and then smoking. Didn't lead to death but could of.
 
 Brake  18 Jul 2008 04:20
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OK. That is a fair conclusion. I assume you are not a doctor?

Did you ever see her lungs? You say she was your great grandmother. How old was she? Is there any chance age could have had an impact?

I'm not telling you that you're wrong. You draw a logical conclusion. I would like to see some evidence (medical documentation) dated pre-2000 that proves a death was actually caused by second hand smoke.

I was challenged on this by a friend some years ago because I asked her not to smoke in her own car with my kid in it. In addition to almost losing a friend, I seem to be losing a debate. I can't find proof.
 
 Cons_Lies  18 Jul 2008 03:40
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 This was meant to be a response to Dawgs_rule. Not sure how I managed to post here?!
by  Cons_Lies
 18 Jul 2008 03:42
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I think its a fact. My great grandmother had smoker's lungs, yet she hadn't touched a single cigarette in her life. Her husband smoked.
 
 Dawgs_rule  18 Jul 2008 03:31
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