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Scientifically Speaking "Races Of People" Don't Exist
Anthropologists everywhere agree: Human variation doesn't group people into races; humans vary across a spectrum. Thus, when people refer to "races" of people they are only referring to a social idea. There is no biologically distinct group of "White People". If "white people" exist, they exist in much the same way that political parties or religions exist. These groupings are based on social criteria, not biological criteria. Races exist only in our minds.
 donphilipe  03 Apr 2008 06:45
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I agree, but unfortunately racism does.
 
 frankieboy  16 Jun 2008 06:24
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The Webster Dictionary and other sources for definitions is what determines the definition of what races of people are. Most arguments people have are because they are really disagreeing on the definition of words.....like the word "racism" itself means different things to different people. Everyone who acknowledges any characteristic about people is a racist to some people.
 
 jimkerry  16 Jun 2008 06:21
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The only reason to try and differentiate people into "races" is to be racist. A good example came a few years ago: Ariel Sharon had the editor of an Israeli medical journal fired because the editor published a study proving Jews and Palestinians had the same DNA and are the same people.

Racism is rare to nonexistent among those who accept the fact of evolution, and commonplace to endemic among "young earth creationists" as a means of rationalizing abhorrent behaviour. When slavery was commonplace in the US, some of the anti-slavery people were Christians, but all of the pro-slavery people were as well. All the non-Christians were anti-slavery, none of them were for it.
 
 K9  06 Jun 2008 22:34
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Dogs come in all kinds of colors and with all kinds of different traits. So how many races of dog are there?
 
 OzzieMan  03 Jun 2008 07:17
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This is absolutely correct. Concepts of race and ethnicity are all social constructs and are not based on inherent biological traits. In the 1920s, the eugenics movement--which was present in both Europe and North America--argued that all human behaviour and physical characteristics boiled down to race. This, of course, was later recognized as a totally inaccurate, pseudo-scientific explanation, based very heavily on racism, bigotry and, especially, on anti-semitism. Eugenics was popular in Nazi Germany during the 1930s, but also in the United States, where systematic discrimination against African-Americans and Jews still existed. Arguing that race is anything other than a social construct ensures the existence of totally unnecessary divisions among people.

Biologically speaking, there is no such thing as a white or black race. The best evidence that these categories are merely artificial constructs is the differing definition of both white and black. For example, the One-Drop Rule was used to determine who was black and who was white. Essentially, the argument was that any American who had a single drop of African ancestry was classified as black, even if their 'race' would not have been physically apparent.
 
 mackenzie  03 Apr 2008 20:57
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 Mackenzie - essentially I agree with everything you said. So let me raise the stakes in this discussion a little bit -

Since we agree that biologically speaking there is no such thing as race - do you agree that the word "race" should be abandoned.

I argue it should be. I say this because in my mind the word "race" itself implies some sort of biological trait to help a person distinguish a person of one "race" from a person of another "race".

My point is this - as long as we continue to use the word "race" and continue to think we mean something analytically clear we will continue to delude ourselves. When we use the word "race" or refer to specific "races" we perpetuate an ignorant idea which incorrectly equates ethnicity and biology.

Do you agree? Do you think I'm way off? I'm interested to hear what you think.
by  donphilipe
 06 Apr 2008 08:58
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I disagree. While all genetic traits may exist in all populations and sub-populations to some degree, certain attributes are more prominent in some than in others. The Risch study on genetic make-up for example found that genetic traits do not vary evenly across large populations. There are clusters of people with distinct genetic characteristics, and these clusters correspond to traditional perceptions of race.

Even thinking about it in the abstract, it is clear that, until fairly recently, people from one part of the planet did not interact much with people from elsewhere. Genetic development has been highly localised for millenia. It would be amazing if the people in those areas had not developed distinctive attributes.
 
 Hidell  07 Apr 2008 05:51
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 Two comments: 1. You appear to define Races as "clusters of people with distinct genetic characteristics" but then you make irrelevant any disagreement with your definition by watering it down to the point of uselessness by using the phrasing "clusters corresponf to traditional PERCEPTIONS of race". Well, as long as all we are talking about is PERCEPTIONS - we don't need to speak scientifically at all, do we?
2. In admitting that recently these perceived clusters have begun to break down because of greater movement of people across the globe you condemn your own concept of percieved genetic clusters. Clusters is a sufficiently vague word that it can mean whatever you want it to mean. The American Anthropology Association has long maintained that variation within any such "percieved genetic clusters" is greater than any genetic varition between any such clusters.
No doubt genetic variation does exist. But any perceived "clusters" are only in the mind of the beholder and do NOT exist beyond the desrcriptions of those peddling ideas of the best way to turn the spectrum of genetic variation into a list of arbitrarily "perceived" subgroups.
by  donphilipe
 21 Apr 2008 02:37
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