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Scientific Naturalists Have No Reason To Be Proud Of Their Minds
Scientific naturalists believe that the physical universe is all there is. Physical, chemical, electrical laws through cause and effect explain everything. Basically it is energy and matter and that is it. One implication is that if this explains everything, then it explains the mind, our thoughts, desires, actions, behaviors, and so forth. This means that our thoughts and actions are all DETERMINED, which means it all is the result of cause/effect and automatic natural laws. This rules out anything such as free will, agency, responsibility, choice, creativity, etc.
 charlee  23 May 2008 17:50
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Naturalism is by nature bad. It contradicts all evidence for non-physical things.
 
 Mark  23 May 2008 17:53
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If this is true, which the scientific naturalist, must accept, if he is honest; then his mind is nothing to be proud of because all his thoughts were determined without any choice in the matter. Yet, the scientific naturalist seems very proud of his mind; how can this be?
 
 charlee  23 May 2008 17:52
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No.

A human being should always be Proud.
Of their minds, and of their professional work/Productivity,
Of their bodies and their sexuality. And most of all of their family.
 
 Scorpion  26 Jul 2008 18:54
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So i started writing on the other side and began to switch my position. I am not a scientific naturalist or an atheist, but if i were, i would still be judging myself by the achievements of others. If i were excelling in my intellectual achievement compared to my peers, i think that i could still take pride in the fruits of my efforts. If anything there would be little to temper that pride if I were to continue to excel. I really don’t see a naturalist saying, ‘I am nothing, for nature doeth the works’.

The individual is still capable of varying degrees of accomplishment. To not take pride in accomplishment would be unnatural.
 
 innomen  23 May 2008 18:06
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 But if our "accomplishments" are nothing but the result of blind forces of cause and effect, and we actually have no choice (this is necessarily the case with a scientific naturalist world view) whether to be an "accomplished" person or an ax murderer, there is no justification (reason) to be proud or guilty, or to be praised or blamed for that matter.
B.F. Skinner presented scientific naturalism in the psychological arena, this just takes SN to it full implication as a worldview, SN does not explain reality very well, so is not an adequate worldview.
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 23 May 2008 18:27
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