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Rules In Sports, Although Traditional Or Quaint, Are Quite Arbitrary In Their Creation
Take scoring - in hockey, football, basketball, tennis - they all add it differently, no particular reason. If basketball treated everything as one point the distance shooters would have less value, but meanwhile hockey doesn't reward a long shot with added point value. Take anything else - number of players, length of field, height or size of goals, time limit. All these choices are arbitrary. If a rules committee wanted they could change any one of them.
 Grenache  19 Sep 2010 08:05
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Grenache aka Grand Cru aka John Jay Jaster; thank you for giving me another opportunity to tell the world what a worthless piece of shiite you and your lowlife, unregenerate, reprobate friends are!

Grenache aka Grand Cru aka John Jay Jaster; you and your worthless, lowlife, reprobate friends wouldn't be reading this if you didn't respond to me or make debates that referenced me!

You can send John Jay Jaster a personal email at john_jaster@yahoo.com or you can contact John Jay Jaster at work through the Human Resources Department at john.jaster@sanofi-aventis.com

If you are in the Boston area, you can see John Jay Jaster at work by stopping at Sanofi-Aventis which is located at 270 Albany St, Cambridge, Massachusetts. John Jaster’s phone number at work is 617-679-5600.

Grenache aka Grand Cru aka John Jay Jaster; without any justification, you and your worthless, lowlife, reprobate friends have called me a bunch of smear names such as; racist, homophobic, sexist, fascist, hateful, intolerant, mean-spirited, divisive, inflexible, bigoted, idiot, moron, etc., that the Liberals love to use when they have lost the debate.

Meanwhile, I have only spoken the truth about you when I say that your are an adulterer, a reprobate, and have no absolutes or principles in your life.

All of you worthless, lowlife reprobates voted TWO TIMES for Bathhouse Barry Obozo so it's no mystery that you would have friends who are worthless, lowlife reprobates.

You have more in common with a porn addicted, spouse-swapping, fat lesbian like Artemis aka SkankOpotamus aka Cynthia Horn and her fat, clown faced, "really good friend" Damselfly aka Joanna.

Artemis aka SkankOpotamus aka Cynthia Horn sent me a picture of herself in a blue dress that looked like someone tried to stuff 300 pounds of shiite in a 200 pound blue sack. Gross, really gross!!!

Artemis aka SkankOpotamus aka Cynthia Horn, your lover, Moreno Cubanito, needs you to save his failing YickYak website!!!

You always say that your husband, Michael Horn the runt, doesn't mind sharing you with other guys and gals. You always say that you and the runt enjoy watching porn, have an "open marriage," and that he encourages spouse-swapping and your bisexuality because that doubles his chances for some extra action.

Grenache aka Grand Cru aka John Jay Jaster; Artemis aka SkankOpotamus aka Cynthia Horn said you committed adultery by boinking her fat, married, "really good friend", Damselfly aka Joanna when she visited America.

Since you have so much in common with those two worthless, lowlife reprobates, I cannot understand why any of you worthless, lowlife reprobates would waste your time talking to me.

God weeps for all worthless, lowlife reprobates who will not turn from their sin.

Jeremiah 13:17
17. But if you will not hear it, my soul will weep in secret for your pride; my eyes will weep bitterly and run down with tears,

As a Christian, I am under no obligation to present the gospel to reprobates who will just make fun of the gospel. A Christian should not give what is holy to those who do not appreciate it. Animals such as dogs and hogs cannot appreciate the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Matthew 7:6
6. "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

All of us are sinners to one degree or another and all of us have a daily battle with the temptation to sin. Some people have an almost irresistible desire to steal things. Psychiatrists call these people “kleptomaniacs” but the Lord still requires that they use their free will to say no to their sin and turn toward the Lord. Some people are genetically or psychologically predisposed to be addicted to alcohol or drugs and, in order to quit, sometimes they have to be hospitalized and endure terrible withdrawal symptoms, but the Lord still requires that they use their free will to say no to their sin and turn toward the Lord. Sexual orientation and acts of perversion cannot be conflated with a race of people created by the Lord. In Jeremiah 13:23, the question is asked: "Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots?" Of course, the answer is no. Just by an act of their free will, no one is able to change the color of their skin but every year thousands and thousands of homosexuals use their free will to say no to their sin and turn toward the Lord. In short, genetics loads the gun but free will pulls the trigger. Sodomites, Sodomettes, pedophiles, and bestialists have to continually use their free will to say no to their sin just like everyone else. When you say no to sin – any sin – and keep saying no without giving in to the temptation, you build up spiritual muscle and the temptation to sin becomes less and less.

1 Corinthians 6:9
9. Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators (Greek – pornos – general sexual sin), nor idolaters, nor adulterers (Greek – moichos – sexual intercourse between someone who is married and someone to whom that that person is not married), nor homosexuals (Greek – malakos – efffeminate, a passive partner, a male prostitute, a soft one, a boy or an adult male), nor Sodomites (Greek – arsenokoites – males who defile themselves with other men, an active partner, a male who has sex with an efffeminate male),
10. Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
18. Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body.
 
 AR454  13 Sep 2017 22:38
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 Grenache aka Grand Cru aka John Jay Jaster; thank you for giving me another opportunity to tell the world what a worthless piece of shiite you and your lowlife, unregenerate, reprobate friends are!

Grenache aka Grand Cru aka John Jay Jaster; you and your worthless, lowlife, reprobate friends wouldn't be reading this if you didn't respond to me or make debates that referenced me!

You can send John Jay Jaster a personal email at john_jaster@yahoo.com or you can contact John Jay Jaster at work through the Human Resources Department at john.jaster@sanofi-aventis.com

If you are in the Boston area, you can see John Jay Jaster at work by stopping at Sanofi-Aventis which is located at 270 Albany St, Cambridge, Massachusetts. John Jaster’s phone number at work is 617-679-5600.

Grenache aka Grand Cru aka John Jay Jaster; without any justification, you and your worthless, lowlife, reprobate friends have called me a bunch of smear names such as; racist, homophobic, sexist, fascist, hateful, intolerant, mean-spirited, divisive, inflexible, bigoted, idiot, moron, etc., that the Liberals love to use when they have lost the debate.

Meanwhile, I have only spoken the truth about you when I say that your are an adulterer, a reprobate, and have no absolutes or principles in your life.

All of you worthless, lowlife reprobates voted TWO TIMES for Bathhouse Barry Obozo so it's no mystery that you would have friends who are worthless, lowlife reprobates.

You have more in common with a porn addicted, spouse-swapping, fat lesbian like Artemis aka SkankOpotamus aka Cynthia Horn and her fat, clown faced, "really good friend" Damselfly aka Joanna.

Artemis aka SkankOpotamus aka Cynthia Horn sent me a picture of herself in a blue dress that looked like someone tried to stuff 300 pounds of shiite in a 200 pound blue sack. Gross, really gross!!!

Artemis aka SkankOpotamus aka Cynthia Horn, your lover, Moreno Cubanito, needs you to save his failing YickYak website!!!

You always say that your husband, Michael Horn the runt, doesn't mind sharing you with other guys and gals. You always say that you and the runt enjoy watching porn, have an "open marriage," and that he encourages spouse-swapping and your bisexuality because that doubles his chances for some extra action.

Grenache aka Grand Cru aka John Jay Jaster; Artemis aka SkankOpotamus aka Cynthia Horn said you committed adultery by boinking her fat, married, "really good friend", Damselfly aka Joanna when she visited America.

Since you have so much in common with those two worthless, lowlife reprobates, I cannot understand why any of you worthless, lowlife reprobates would waste your time talking to me.

God weeps for all worthless, lowlife reprobates who will not turn from their sin.

Jeremiah 13:17
17. But if you will not hear it, my soul will weep in secret for your pride; my eyes will weep bitterly and run down with tears,

As a Christian, I am under no obligation to present the gospel to reprobates who will just make fun of the gospel. A Christian should not give what is holy to those who do not appreciate it. Animals such as dogs and hogs cannot appreciate the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Matthew 7:6
6. "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

All of us are sinners to one degree or another and all of us have a daily battle with the temptation to sin. Some people have an almost irresistible desire to steal things. Psychiatrists call these people “kleptomaniacs” but the Lord still requires that they use their free will to say no to their sin and turn toward the Lord. Some people are genetically or psychologically predisposed to be addicted to alcohol or drugs and, in order to quit, sometimes they have to be hospitalized and endure terrible withdrawal symptoms, but the Lord still requires that they use their free will to say no to their sin and turn toward the Lord. Sexual orientation and acts of perversion cannot be conflated with a race of people created by the Lord. In Jeremiah 13:23, the question is asked: "Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots?" Of course, the answer is no. Just by an act of their free will, no one is able to change the color of their skin but every year thousands and thousands of homosexuals use their free will to say no to their sin and turn toward the Lord. In short, genetics loads the gun but free will pulls the trigger. Sodomites, Sodomettes, pedophiles, and bestialists have to continually use their free will to say no to their sin just like everyone else. When you say no to sin – any sin – and keep saying no without giving in to the temptation, you build up spiritual muscle and the temptation to sin becomes less and less.

1 Corinthians 6:9
9. Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators (Greek – pornos – general sexual sin), nor idolaters, nor adulterers (Greek – moichos – sexual intercourse between someone who is married and someone to whom that that person is not married), nor homosexuals (Greek – malakos – efffeminate, a passive partner, a male prostitute, a soft one, a boy or an adult male), nor Sodomites (Greek – arsenokoites – males who defile themselves with other men, an active partner, a male who has sex with an efffeminate male),
10. nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
18. Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body.
by  AR454
 13 Sep 2017 22:39
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Yes, totally arbitrary, man made, can be changed at will and so forth. The problem comes when we apply the arbitrariness of rules of play for games, to the rules of life, thinking we can alter these rules at will, without consequences, thinking the principles upon which these rules are based, are totally up to man to create or change, as well.
 
 charlee  19 Sep 2010 12:46
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 lol. You just linked a sports rule book discussion back to God. Not that I'm disagreeing but isnt there anything we an discuss without it being about God? I'm listening to Yes right now, would that have to be about God?
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 19 Sep 2010 13:03
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They can change them and they do. Rarely do they change the fundamentals of the sport but they can make a big difference in how the game is approached just by a subtle change. In my favourite sport - football they constantly tinker with the rules, and usually for the better. One recent change was scrapping the "back pass" where a team could pass back to their goalkeeper and he could pick it up. It meant teams could just time waste by constantly passing it back and forth to the goalie. Since they cannot do it now the game has sped up and is better for it.

To tinker with the scoring is something that should be done in Rugby. At the moment they get 5 points for a try (touchdown) and two for the convertion. But they get a whole 3 points for a penalty kick. So an inocuous foul anywhere short of the half way line reults in half a try. Games are won and lost on this and so the game is all about keeping disipline and territory. If they just made this 2 points it would result in more open attacking flair play because the try (what it should be all about) would be worth more.
 
 StBalders  19 Sep 2010 08:32
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 Changing the rules of a sport completely changes the game. You change a rule, a domino effect of alterations in game play and strategy take affect.

Your first example with eliminating the back pass out of football may be appealing and favoring from the view point of a spectator, but at heart anyone who is interested in sport will agree that you cannot compare watching to playing. Sure faster pace game will make fans happier, but once you change a rule, or in this case make a rule, you change the strategy of the game and the game play in general. After a few decades of an accumulation of alterations and tinkering, the sport is transformed, the traditional strategy of how the game can be played is forever lost, and something new, usually less cunning, is produced.
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 21 Sep 2010 14:55
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I don't think so; the rules make a sport, you change a rule you change the sport.
 
 verum  19 Sep 2010 18:28
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 What's wrong with that, you just make a new name for the new sport? Like baseball and softball. Football and touch football. Golf and putt putt golf.
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 19 Sep 2010 20:26
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