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I have a bit of experience in LD (Lincoln-Douglas) debate for competitions, and I wanted to see what the impact of an LD resolution would be here. I've noticed that people either ask a question or give a statement to start a debate, but I'm gonna try this resolution (a state-written resolution which I just finished writing a case for). Have at it.
 The_Alex  31 Jan 2008 23:53
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Absolutely it is unjust. For example if a person who is addicted to drugs get caught in possession of drugs they can get out of any criminal prosecution simply by making a controlled buy on another person who is selling the drugs instead of using them. Is that fair? You could argue that you got someone higher off the streets that was causing more damage to society than the person using, but again is that fair? Not only is it not fair to the drug dealer who is now behind bars but its not fair to the drug user who learns no lesson but how to tell and get out of it. Do you think that the drug user will stop using because of this? Absolutely not. They will just buy drugs from the next dealer that takes the previous ones place. Sure the police get their bust and the government gets its results but the cycle still exists. Nothing has changed except the face of the dealer. Wouldn't it be more logical to punish the user and put them through treatment to fight the addiction so that they will no longer use drugs. There will be no supply if there isn't a demand for it. This so called war on drugs is all propaganda and political bullshit. As long as they get their stats thats all that matters. The government doesn't care if there is no more drug use as long as it doesn't touch them. Look in the papers, they show you how much they are TRYING. Nonsense all of it. I can't be the only person with the idea that cutting off the demand would kill the supply. I am only a regular guy, the government is the smartest people this country has to offer. And if that is the best option they can come up with then we are in trouble my friends. You want my opinion STOP SNITCHING AND GET HELP. Snitch and keep using drugs is a hell of an option to a drug addict. Which one are they going to choose? Anyone who thinks that this whole snitching thing is the way to go is either nieve or extremely prejudice toward drug dealers who sold to someone they know. Its the drugs that are runing peoples lives not the people selling them. Remember that next time you see in the news an informant running numbers on a big time drug dealer that it will happen again. Take down the name and see how long it is until you see it back in the news snitching again on the next dealer. Do the crime do YOUR time. I'm out. STOP SNITCHING
 
 apostle  08 Feb 2008 18:56
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Introduction
For prosecutors, a lightened caseload is equally attractive. But more importantly, plea bargaining assures a CONVICTION, even if it is for a lesser charge or crime. No matter how strong the evidence may be, no case is a foregone conclusion. Prosecutors often wage long and expensive trials but lose, as happened in the infamous O. J. Simpson murder trial. Moreover, prosecutors may use plea bargaining to further their case against a co-defendant. They may accept a plea bargain arrangement from one defendant in return for damaging TESTIMONY against another. This way, they are assured of at least one conviction plus enhanced chances of winning a conviction against the second defendant. For the defendants, plea bargaining provides the opportunity for a lighter sentence on a less severe charge. If represented by private COUNSEL, defendants save the cost for trial and have fewer or less serious offenses listed on their criminal records. Utilitarianism also states that is produces, ‘the greatest good for the greatest number.’ Which in this case this is a good thing to have because it is the general of the well-being of the majority over individual. And I stand firmly that this resolution should not pass.
Definitions and outline
Some definitions you might need to know from the black’s law dictionary are:
Plea bargain: A negotiated agreement between a prosecutor and a criminal defendant whereby the defendant pleads guilty to a lesser offense or to one of multiple charges in exchange for some concession by the prosecutor.
Testimony: Is a form of evidence that is obtained from a witness who makes a solemn statement or declaration of fact. Testimony may be oral or written, and it is usually made by oath or affirmation under penalty of perjury.
Unjust: Contary to justice; no just
Point One
What is utilarianism? Utilarisanism is the greatist good for the greatist amount of people. Why would this work only for the con side? Because this resolution would take away from the people. Plea Bargainnig helps more people because it solves more cases than if we did not have it. There are far to many ways that this resolution should not be passed. Some of the philosophys that the pro side might try to claim, which is not theirs to claim, for example the philosophy of Utopia by Thomas Moore. Utopia basicly means perfect. If the pro side tries to claim this philosophy because this resolution would only create an anti-utopian government. Nothing is perfect, that is true. And hardly anyone belives in the philosophy or the religon of Utopia, although many people love to read novels, watch movies, ect… without even knowing it is based on being anti-utopian. Our government may not be utopian althought one thing is not known by many people, and that is the fact that government play a huge role in the everyday life, which is called anti-utopia. What about utiltarianism? It states the greatest good for the greatest number. When does that come in? It comes is now! This resolution can not pass because it is not fair in many ways! Like say you have robbed a bank and you have like three occumplises and you got caught. No! Your not going to ‘snitch’ them out. But they say I will give you a lesser sentence and you think about it…and its rather death or inprisonment for 40 years..now, what would you say? But still plea baragaing is essiential to help get crimanles off the street.
 
 timmercj  02 Feb 2008 09:51
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I believe the big fish is more important.
1.) guilty man "A" walks guilty man "B" doesn't
2.) guilty man "A" doesn't

I'd prefer option 1. You have more knowledge and you get the man or woman you find to be a better catch.
 
 Specter87  17 Oct 2008 02:24
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Clearly it involves a measure of injustice if a guilty party escapes full punishment for his or her crimes in return for cooperation. Justice is an abstract ideal, though, which our imperfect systems of justice can only approximate. If leniency is offered in return for testimony, the relevant authorities must consider that the overall interests of justice are served; that the defendant's cooperation will result in the conviction of other guilty parties who might otherwise have escaped justice. So is this unjust? Any departure from the perfect ideal of justice is unjust to some degree. The question really, therefore, is not whether it is unjust, but whether it is more unjust that one person should escape justice slightly or that, potentially, several people should escape justice completely.

In cases where the defendant is not offering evidence against others, but only offering a guilty plea to spare the expense of a trial, I agree that the plea bargaining system is unjust and am opposed to it.
 
 Hidell  01 Feb 2008 18:02
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 If you are opposed to the plea bargaining system, then why did you negate the resolution, which states that plea bargaining is UNJUST. Simple mistake?
by  The_Alex
 01 Feb 2008 22:09
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