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Politically Correct Restrictions On Free Speech Have Gotten Way Out Of Hand
People say stupid things and America needs to figure out a way to encourage polite discourse without biting off people's heads when they say something stupid.
 donphilipe  13 Mar 2008 18:25
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Yep.

No one has any personality anymore: It opens you up to too many lawsuits!

Which is, of course, totally b.s.

Be yourself: Let your freak-flag fly, and if anyone does not like your style? They can go 485728198471985 themselves ;-)

;-)


Free Speech is a basic human right. Period.
 
 Scorpion  28 Jul 2008 23:57
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Hugely so! It not only has curbed our speech but our thinking too. Nothing has threatened our right to speak freely or think independently like political correctness. True lovers of freedom would see this instantly, but most value equality over freedom.
 
 innomen  13 Apr 2008 20:52
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Tolerance is a virtue and it should be encouraged. What shouldn't be encouraged is this ridiculous sensitivity to anything remotely stereotypical that is so common in this day and age. Why? I agree with standing up for one's beliefs (otherwise I wouldn't be a member of this website), but not in the aggressive, intolerant manner that is all too often seen today.
 
 sceptic101  16 Mar 2008 20:54
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 I don't agree that tolerance is a virtue.. it should be a prerequisite and certainly far more than shouldn't be encouraged ? It should be stamped out, removed from existence, not an issue..

your non-aggresive pact with yourself is in fact at the heart of allowing prejudice to continue...

Nazism .. really it shouldn't be encouraged.. get a back bone..
by  Lawcom
 16 Mar 2008 21:25
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Racism is the most sensitive of all political topics. Most politicians are extremely wary of being accused of it so will simply steer away from any issue which could potentially give rise to accusations of racism. This is unfortunate because of it often means that difficult and important issues such as immigration or freedom of speech are not debated as thoroughly or as frankly as they ought to be.

I imagine your debate topic is provoked by the Geraldine Ferraro incident. What she said seemed a bit foolish to me. Of course she had a right under the law to say it. Whether she should have kept her job in the Clinton campaign is really down to what kind of tone the Clinton campaign wants to set. It's their business and no one else's. The Democratic candidates have chosen to maintain a facade of politesse. That seems reasonable since the differences between them aren't really very large and both candidates ought to want their party to win in November more than they want themselves to win as candidates.

That said, maybe a bit more candour would be a good thing. I do think the Obama adviser who called Clinton a "monster" was basically right and perhaps this issue is best discussed openly. Also, even though I am an Obama supporter, I acknowledge that it is possible that he has skeletons in his closet which the Republicans will be able to ruthlessly exploit at a later stage in the campaign, by which time it will be too late to do anything about it. If they were introduced now by Clinton, it would at least serve to put them out there, perhaps beginning a kind of inoculation process through which public acceptance of them is tested.
 
 Hidell  16 Mar 2008 03:47
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 I concur with you when you suggest that more candor would be helpful.
by  donphilipe
 26 Mar 2008 01:51
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It's not really a matter of saying stupid things, it's a matter of not being able to open your mouth at all for fear of unintentionally offending some hyper-sensitive person out there. Political correctness is about a radical avoidance of anything that could conceivably make anyone feel bad about themselves. Sorry, there is no right not to be offended, if you take offense at something that someone says, the fault for that lies with yourself, not with them. You cannot censor someone because you don't want to have to hear something that makes you uncomfortable, period.
 
 Cephus  15 Mar 2008 06:15
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It's certainly a mine field that many people have to step through in order for anything to actually get said.
As far as Ferraro's comment goes, I think it was way out of line. I'm not sure what she meant, but it certainly came out to mean that if Obama hadn't been black, then he wouldn't be a nominee. I don't think that really comes down to being politically correct - she's essentially saying that he has no basis to have a bid a presidency. I feel that this furthers the ideas people have about "black America" or "women."
People just can't be grouped together in such ways. I don't know if she's a racist, but it really seemed like a heinous remark to make about someone.
 
 Moegreche  13 Mar 2008 19:18
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 but you have said it yourself your not sure what she meant so how can you have a clear comment it does not make sense nor it's fair to her, you have to be sure or at least say that's what you feel is right.. Not being sure is the same as being a racist..
by  ricky
 13 Mar 2008 19:22
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I agree with you donphilipe, and i want to add that people should have a sense of humor people are to stuck up they want to put restriction's and yet complain when their rights are violated. This is a democracy and i am going to have my voice heard whether people like it or not, if it's a comment they don't like oh well they have to live with it and they have the option to challenge me or not read and go on!
 
 nelson12  13 Mar 2008 18:32
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 On that note, I know you're a Hillary fan nelson12, so as an Obama supporter I wanted to say, I think Ferraro had a right to say what she did and that she shouldn't have been forced out of the Clinton campaign for what she said. I say this even though I disagree with what she said.
by  donphilipe
 13 Mar 2008 19:00
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What's your problem ? Can't you do business or have a conversation without trying to put someone down..

Nothing wrong advocating your stand, but if your only solution is then to be offensive because of someones color or background, then the failing is most decidedly with you..

I'd love these words not to have power, but that is not the case just yet.. Racism and sexism is still predominant in society and until the actual mindset changes then yes there should be strong repercussions for racist / sexist remarks.

I know that means trying to curb your inbuilt cultured racism and your problem really is "why can't I call a darky a darky " well the problem is you and until you (general) change the way you think, there has to be political and legal restrictions in place to stop perpetuating ignorant bigoted responses.
 
 Lawcom  15 Mar 2008 17:29
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 My Grandad used the word Dar ky. I find it a horrible term. He didn't because it was run of the mill in his day. I used to tut at him and point out that is not the done thing you know. My dad says coloured because he was told Dar ky is racist, I would tut at him and say that is not really the done thing to say you know. I say black man/woman, but who is to say that that will not, or may already be, the wrong thing to say? I get the impression you would go mental at us, you speak about tolerance being a prerequisite but appear to have less of it than most here. This is the trouble with PC, who makes the rules? I just can't be doing with any of it. i don't hate or judge anyone by the colour of their skin, never have. My black friends, Asian friends are the same and cannot be doing with all this sensitivity over skin colour, they find it rather patronizing. Let's move to the next stage, have a friendly laugh about our different casts like you would anything else that doesn't really matter.
by  StBalders
 20 Mar 2008 01:12
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I went to school at the University of California, Berkeley during the feminist and black-awareness days. Berkeley has become synonymous with “political correctness” and the butt of many jokes about how it’s out of hand.
While I agree that some people have gone overboard as to overreacting to un-PC comments, it would be a regression to abandon the movement to restrict public comments about race, gender, ethnicity, religion, sexual-persuasion, etc.
We make our own reality with what comes out of our mouths. Derogatory or insensitive comments about those who disagree or don’t look like us is a sure return ticket to the bad old days of racism, sexism, and religious and ethnic intolerance.
Folks forget how very recently it was perfectly OK to make public dumb-blonde, faggot, nigger, kike, geek, diaper-head, wop, or mick jokes. Shocked at my use of such epithets? Well, then don’t advocate restricting politically correct speech.
 
 chispa  13 Mar 2008 21:14
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 Here's my issue... Who is actually doing the restricting? Is it people sending threats to Ferraro in reaction to her comments? Is it Joe Klein in his Time Magazine article ? You make valid points and I, too, am conflicted on this topic. But I think Obama, himself, got very close to the right idea in his Audacity of Hope... "I can't legislate good manners. But I can encourage good manners whenever I'm addressing a group of young people. (60)"
Two points... First, Ferraro did not use an epithet. Second, you misunderstand my statement if you read me as saying I want to restrict speech. On the contrary, I'm fine with you advocating politically correct speech. I'm not fine with Ferraro being forced out of a fundraising committee for Hillary Clinton because some Obama supporters felt offended by her remarks. She may have been dead-wrong about what she was trying to point out (I -as an Obama supporter believe she was), but she has a right to say it without being forced from her post on the Clinton campaign.
by  donphilipe
 14 Mar 2008 06:50
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