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Plucking A Single Verse From The Bible And Treating It Like A Clear Mandate From God Regardless Of Context Is Not Very Convincing Evidence
Context is highly relevant. One sentence from one book doesn't tell you all the input or events that lead to ithe statement or came after it, doesn't weigh that sentence versus some other completely different sentence from a different Bible book or author, and it doesn't even necessarily have the same translation from language to language. Plus the authority speaking is still in question. And you can shop the Bible for soundbytes but it doesn't actually mean you're using those soundbytes in legitimate function.
 Grenache  16 Jul 2009 19:39
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It's not evidence at all, it's a claim, nothing more. Claims need support, claims need evidence and when the believer has none, their claim can be rejected as unsupported.

The Bible has no authority for people who do not already accept it's authority. Throwing around claims that because it's in the Bible it must be so is ludicrous.
 
 Cephus  02 Sep 2009 15:48
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Treating ones chosen interpretation of the Bible as a whole as a clear mandate from God is not convincing evidence let alone single verses.
 
 justsumguy  02 Sep 2009 14:43
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I believe one can make a pretty good case as the Bible being an exceptional book compared to any other in a number of ways. One can then reasonably argue that it is divinely inspired. Certainly, Paul wasn't in a trance taking dictation from the all mighty in Greek. But there is good reason to think that God did reveal himself in the book.

Getting to the point of the debate, yes one needs to really study Bible passages in context and with others for clarity about what the authors' views really were. Sometimes it is quite obvious what the Bible is saying, and other times quite a challenge, especially when there is apparent contradiction.
 
 charlee  17 Jul 2009 18:18
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I could assemble anything I want from words that just appear in the Bible. Irresponsible interpretation is a punk move. Interpretation is so dangerous that the Judicial system was a means for changing many policies in the US government.
 
 gottfried  17 Jul 2009 04:33
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You can "pluck" a whole page from the bible and as far as I am concerned it won't be convincing evidence at all to anything. Evidence for what anyways? If you have to resort to examining the bible to determine your own beliefs you are incredibly docile and lazy. There is no reason anyone should have to consult blatantly racist and sexist scripture written by ancient minds and ancient mottos to formulate their moral and ethical decisions when they already have their own judgment and thought process.
 
 verum  17 Jul 2009 01:26
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The problem with using the bible as evidence in almost any debate is that the bible is clearly disputed territory. Therefore while you may convince a portion of people who believe in the bible you will automatically fail to convince any of the many people who are either non religious or of some other religion. As a debate gambit it is somewhat self defeating on the face of it.
 
 finsch  16 Jul 2009 22:19
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Yes, context is relevant...but....the bible also means what it says.

The Authority is not in question to alot of us....

Why do I sense a 'godbot' coming my way? Not from you Grenache, from....
 
 Bugman  16 Jul 2009 20:19
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 Good, I like that reply.

And when I refer to questioning an authority I mean in terms of whether those are the words of John the Baptist, or Jesus Christ, or somehow God directly. It makes a difference. Some people treat every verse like it fell from God's own lips.
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 16 Jul 2009 20:24
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Speaking of context, why in the world is this in the Shopping section?
 
 dlmiller82  02 Sep 2009 00:37
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 Plucking isolated versus out of the Bible for the sake of proving your point is indeed a form of shopping around. It was humor dlmiller82; but I guess I should have used anger instead of humor because then you might have gotten it.
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 02 Sep 2009 13:44
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