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People Who Have Been Proabortion Should Not Receive Social Security And Medicare When They Reach The Eligible Age.
Of the 50 million abortions performed in US since 1973 about 35 million of those individuals would be of working age and paying social security tax and medicare tax, and the number would be growing every year.
 charlee  25 Sep 2008 23:36
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It's an original thought...I will give you that.
 
 created  26 Sep 2008 04:08
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 Thanks! I suppose by the same logic, the working inidividuals who are proabortion should pay higher social security and medicare taxes for the same reasons.
by  charlee
 26 Sep 2008 20:29
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LOL! Someone else sees the white elephant in the room regarding social security. Well said.
 
 Bugman  25 Sep 2008 23:44
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 thanks!
by  charlee
 25 Sep 2008 23:45
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(continued) We all realize in the US, Social Security and Medicare are giant ponzi schemes, and current social security beneficiaries continually require the young working folks to pay for their "nest egg" of social security and medicare. Since a large portion of the US population has decided it's ok to eliminate these young working folks by being prochoice, then these same folks should be ineligible for SS benefits and Medicare benefits, because they have created significant fewer workers to support these government programs.
 
 charlee  25 Sep 2008 23:42
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 Good points.
by  Specter87
 26 Sep 2008 04:27
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Oh no I had a vasectomy, what have I done? Oh wait I guess since we are in the middle of the biggest baby boom since the baby boom maybe that’s not the problem.
More people generate more taxes and more expenses. And I’m guessing that 35 million unwanted babies might not be the most stabilizing tax positive group. We need to deal with our own tax problems like responsible adults. Or we could go with your plan of blaming everyone else and making specious unfounded claims.
 
 finsch  26 Sep 2008 19:37
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 Sounds rather harsh judgmentalism on the capabilities and contribution of those who never had a chance. What are the reasons for your view that these babies "might not be the most stabilizing tax positive group?" I can guess the motivation behind the comment, such as it would ease one's conscious by rationalizing that all these 35 million would be on the dole and noncontributors, but I am requesting the evidence for this view.
by  charlee
 26 Sep 2008 20:34
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By you unintelligent "argument", anyone against abortion should be against the "death penalty" since it ends the person's life without their consent. Who cares what a court says about the person they're trying to kill and what he did, the person has a right to live.
 
 K9  26 Sep 2008 15:00
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 There is a fundamental difference K9 and you know it. Guilt. or lack of it more specifically.

That said, I''m not a big fan of the death penalty. I don't like playing god with ANY life. Especially the unborn. They are not guilty of anything.
by  Bugman
 26 Sep 2008 15:29
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This argument is based on untestable assumptions and invalid governmental propaganda.

1) all children born will become employable adults; they will contribute to the economy rather than be a drain on it.

2) U.S. Social Security is in dire straits and not sustainable. This is a line of patter from politicians who wish to transfer secure government holdings (which are in the black) to speculative individual investments, which will benefit the stockbrokers and bankers but not the uninformed investors.

3) Population growth is highly variable and cannot be predicted accurately beyond 6 to 8 years; neither can economic futures. Note the year that Social Security is predicted to go bankrupt (2041, I believe).

4) Social Security was never intended to constitute a complete retirement portfolio, and yet corporations that promised substantial retirement funds in lieu of salary increases and individual investments are now being allowed to default on these guaranteed pension plans.

5) Excess population drains worldwide resources, and yet this argument would return us to historical times where you must produce children to provide for you in your old age.

6) There has been a substantial increase in the number of children aged 25 to 55 who are being supported by their parents, instead of vice versa.

Please consider how these facts correspond with your opinion.
 
 Lynn  26 Sep 2008 12:27
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 1. No, but the assumption is that MOST will be able to contribute. It is obviously a logical one. It does not have to be or was ever expected to be, 'all'. Just 'most'.

2. Well, the debate topic itself dictates that this is the argument actually. That is what we are trying too debate. By the way-
How can there be 'secure government holdings' with a $10 trillion dollar debt?

3. Again, the debate point again. Population growth Is not highly variable unless a variable in introduced. I.E. Abortion. That is the point
Charlee is making.

4. Agreed

5.By that logic, 'dwindling world resources', the ummm..."family planning' should be done on a planned/enforced basis.

6. That simply shows a lack of maturity/expectations on the kids part or discipline/expectations on the parents. I don't think this argument applies to this debate or cancels the fact that there will simply not be enough babies to support the future social security needs. In a manner, you have actually enhanced Charlee's point. You have pointed out another group who will not be able to contribute much to social security.
by  Bugman
 26 Sep 2008 15:58
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You do realize how illogical that sounds. Your basically saying that we SHOULD over populate a already overpopulated world. We don't need more people we need to knock off a couple billion. Overpopulation causes a greater stress on the environment and the economy. Without the environment we have no world and without the economy it be no use to have them anyway because they would be hardpressed to find work.
 
 Smito  26 Sep 2008 12:18
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 Will you be the first to raise your hand to voluntarily remove yourself from this 'overpopulated' world Smito?

Silliness...
by  Bugman
 26 Sep 2008 12:24
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2 scenarios:
If you have a child and your not ready it would cost you a good amount of money/time to change your life plans and to raise the child. Revenues go down and expenses go up. This would mean less possible taxable income and a greater chance of governmental assistance.

On the other hand if you were to abort the child you may continue on with your life/career and end up contributing more money to the government than had you raised a child. You would more likely be better set for retirement.

This is a very cold stance, but there is some truth to it.

I think this idea is very interesting Charlee.
 
 Specter87  26 Sep 2008 04:23
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 Your hypothesis is more sustainable than the original argument.
by  Lynn
 26 Sep 2008 12:42
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Wow!! That is the most idiotic thing I have ever read. Here is something else stupid to say. All those who decided to have children without enough income to raise them should not be allowed social security or medicare either. While we are at it, lets limit the hwy your allowed to drive on by the taxes you pay.
 
 lubster  26 Sep 2008 01:57
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 Were not here to name call. Just state your arguments without lashing please.
by  Specter87
 26 Sep 2008 04:24
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