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People Should Not Only Read The Bible But Also Read The History On The Bible As Well As The History On The People Of The Bible And Who Wrote The Bible... ETC...

Basically to have a correct understanding of the bible, one must also know history of the bible, the world conflicts that were happening when the bible was still in works, the clashes between cultures, the history of people in power, etc... Give your opinion and why you feel that way... Also, try to include things from the bible and explain why or why not one should understand history of the bible with that quote.

Zman676

22 Jun 2008 19:26

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A lot of the metaphors make a lot more sense when you know their culture.

sherbert

27 Oct 2008 01:58

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If you only read the bible your only getting one side of the story. History in the bible that is recorded is also recorded in other books written from different points of view. If more fully understood it, then history might not repeat it's self so much.

evilkitty

13 Sep 2008 22:59

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Amen! Isn't it ironic that people who may quote a document word for word with great conviction and try to force their view on others are at the same time utterly resistant to learning any more about the document they keep quoting. What about different language translations of it? (it's been claimed for years parts of the English translation were not translated right). What about the choice of which books were kept in the Bible and which were tossed aside during bureaucratic decisions in the old church? And what about all the other various points you raised when you launched this debate? How can someone keep thumping and quoting a document they actually know so little about?

Grenache

20 Jul 2008 12:24

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I agree, to understand the bible fully one must go back to the early age of the Egyptians. Start with Ram II, then work your way through history.

joe9

20 Jul 2008 12:12

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Well, here's my comment:

To truly understand the bible, you must truly understand the bible.

Seabird111

23 Jun 2008 00:16

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Ya it would help us understand more about the bible and who did right it and other stuff

dragboy67

23 Jun 2008 00:15

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If more people understood more about the Bible, where it came from and what it means, there would be less people who took the Bible seriously.

Christianity only flourishes because people are ignorant.

Cephus

22 Jun 2008 22:01

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Uh, knowing that is precisely why I take it seriously.
Atheism only flourishes because people are ign'rnt.

Mark

22 Jun 2008 23:38

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How much time do you think people have? Do you think people should not only read The Origin of the Species but also biographies of Darwin and commentaries on it? It is adequate for the average person to have a passing knowledge of Christianity, with perhaps more in depth knowledge on it's ideas. We cannot, and should not expect people to be experts on everything.

Quincel

23 Jun 2008 19:55

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Should people read something and then do a back up check…Um if they are going to say that they are experts and are going to try to influence other people with their so called experience with that certain subject, then YES. It is only fair to ones opposition or comrades that one be fully informed on everything.

Zman676

24 Jun 2008 00:08

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Well they should, if they are going to base their lives on it then they should know if they are actually doing what they are supposed to. So many things can affect a person’s decision on whether to completely agree or disagree with what is written. That includes past text, authors, history that correlates with the book, etc. 
And to many Christians that I know of say they are experts, but don’t know these things. Of course I understand if someone is stating they are an expert on this subject then they might be suffering from Napoleon-ides.  
Plus I really just said “experts” because you don’t go around basing your life on something unless you are sure you have a more than good understanding of it… SO yah experts.
Either way, you still didn’t give a good response as to why people shouldn’t have to read more than just the bible. You just gave me something that was directing me away from my original argument. Any way~
Did you ever think that the reason why so many people are homophobic and use the bible as an excuse, could be because that they don’t fully understand it and the church purposefully uses mistranslations. –that’s another topic different time I guess-
That can be fixed though through a couple of hours –at least- to a couple of days, weeks, of studying the history on the bible. Learn different dead words. Learn about the people who wrote the darn thing…

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first of all i would like to point out that i never said experts until you did, if you look at the posts you will see that.  Next, i never said anyone had to be experts on everything, that is just ludicris, and is complete BS if you took my comments that way. But to many people use the bible as a guide for life, so in this case they should know as much as they can! Any way, you are the first one to throw the word "experts", not to mention you implied that i thought everyone should know everything on everything, when i distinctly say the BIBLE... So don't make stupid statements like 
"If you don't read what I write closely enough that is neither my problem or my fault. "

Last ,you made a distinction, yeah but you made the distinction with erronous intentions, since this is definitely a discussion on the bible and the people who use it.... Who else is going to use the bible which basically teaches people how to understand christianity...  So your statement on people not using the bible for anything makes zero sense...

In concussion, you point those two things out, but you never disprove my point that people should read the background on the bible in order to fully understand it... 
So if you don't mind, lets get away from the fallacious accusations and get to the point of the debate thank you very much... and like you said "[it isnt my fault if you write completely off the point ideas]"...

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“Many? Not a majority, not even a plurality of people are Christian. This is the only issue I have with this debate. It seems the other issues have somewhat spiralled out of control.”

Wow, um apparently you don’t live with true Christians… They call themselves that BTW, but the bible is meant to guide Christians to salvation, thus they have to Blindly follow it. That is why I have so much controversy with most Christians, just because they think they know everything about something they probably didn’t even read the history on. They take it very seriously, and many to a majority of Christians that are devout to their faith follow it strictly. So I would have to say that the majority/plurality (btw they are like almost synonyms) do follow the bible very closely and base their morals on it… That to me is enough reason for someone to know as much as they can on the bible –if they are going to base their morals and what not…-

“My point about people being experts on everything is precisely that they shouldn't, and given that most people are not Christians that to expect everyone to be experts on the bible logically expects people to be experts on everything, which is as you say self-evidently a bad idea.”
Well, lets see… I never said people needed to be experts on everything. Also this is referring to people that are Christian (or a section of Christianity), so none Christians should be completely left out of the equation.  Last your whole statement doesn’t make sense, -the last part, try reading it out loud- and I will try to be more specific with my titles and who I am addressing, but it isn’t my fault if someone takes my words out of context. It apparently is my problem though Geez…  I don’t know what your problem is, many other people have gotten this… why not you?

“Finally, unless you are me (in which case this whole argument has been an insane schizophrenic experience) you do not know what my intentions are, please do not second guess them.”
Sorry I kind of used the word ‘intentions’ when I should have used the word ‘reasons’, but you would have probably acted the same in response; so the comment here is completely called for……
Excusssssssse me!~ But ,YOU, are the one who took things out of context, I was using my reasoning skills as well as my comprehension skills to show you what you basically said. You haven’t proved me wrong once, and have made yourself look like a idiot several times. Your intent to tell me how I was wrong was because you were trying to explain how you were right, but you were trying to make a point that has nothing to do with the topic at hand -except for the fact that it is about the bible-… So yah, if one is smart they can infer what a person is saying, and why they are saying it.

Now aside from all of this, if you are going to make any of my actions worth while, will you please just tell me if you think that people who use the bible TO DICTATE THEIR MORALS and ETHICS, should they know as much as they can???  *head hits key board* -__-;

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There are far more profitable ways people could spend their time than by reading an ancient text of superstition. It would be far more beneficial for them to read a book based on fact, rather than fancy, a science text book perhaps.

If they insist on reading the bible, however, certainly some of their illusions might be pierced by knowing a little more of its history and the process by which it was cobbled together; by recognising that the canonical Gospels were not and could not possibly have been written by the so-called disciples of Jesus; and that there were many other gospels presenting a different view of the supposed messiah which the victors in the power struggle that characterised early christianity eventually succeeded in excluding from public consciousness.

Hidell

23 Jun 2008 19:32

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So, what is your point through all of what you typed? I am confused because A) the first paragraph isn’t needed since it doesn’t weigh much in this debate. B) Last it is sounding like you agree with me that people need to read and try to comprehend more than just the bible.
*shrug*

Zman676

24 Jun 2008 00:12

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