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I asked a person if they view pornography and they answered 'yes'. Then I asked them if they thought child pornography was immoral and if they would view it. They answered that child porn is immoral and that they would not view it. So, when does immoral porn become moral? They could not answer that question. Porn will always be immoral.
 athling  20 Aug 2008 16:57
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Not a question of debate that can be answered or replied to without making qualified-responses:

1. Porn is always evil and wrong.
2. People who watch porn can quit of they want to.
Once immoral does not have to stay immoral. No.
Humans always can choose differently. Better next time.
 
 Mystery  14 Dec 2008 22:21
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I believe porn is not good. It does not produce good fruit. I believe we are now seeing just how bad it actually is. There are many therapists and websites out there to help porn addicts. Some people say its more addictive than most drugs. Something that causes so much pain and grief seems immoral to me.
 
 created  16 Sep 2008 03:23
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Pornography is not the Gentleman's secret it used to be. Rather it now taps into the deepest perversions, degrading women and children alike.
I think it is more than a big embarrassment for the west, and gives the Fundamental Islamic Extremists a big stick to beat The West with.
World domination isn't to do with who has the biggest, it is to do with who is the fittest physically and mentally to raise the children of the future. The west at this moment in time, didn't show up.
 
 keepmindok  20 Aug 2008 22:00
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 Though these comments are outside of the specific debate, I do agree with your statement.
by  athling
 20 Aug 2008 22:22
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Never been a fan of any porn.
 
 Scorpion  20 Aug 2008 18:17
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 It is not the question if you are a fan of porn.
by  Mosschops
 20 Aug 2008 18:19
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Porn is moral when the people having sex are of legal age and are consenting to the sexual activities that are being filmed.
 
 SlyOne  15 Mar 2009 19:15
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 I wont say it's immoral but there is porn out there that just flat out scares me.
by  finsch
 16 Mar 2009 13:33
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The problem with child porn isn't the porn, it's the fact that it uses children, which is in and of itself, immoral in most modern societies. It's not an issue of when does child pornography become acceptable, it's an issue of any sexual use of a child whatsoever is unacceptable.

You seem to be seriously confusing your issues.
 
 Cephus  15 Mar 2009 19:02
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 That happens a lot here.
by  SlyOne
 15 Mar 2009 19:17
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If this is true then the inverse must be true. What is moral is always moral.... We know that this is not the case.
 
 openurmind  15 Mar 2009 18:45
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Morality is always situationaly relative.Moral absolutes are the province of fanatics and madmen.
 
 finsch  25 Aug 2008 21:48
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 not true. 1) Love God with all your heart and 2) love your neighbour as yourself. those are moral absolutes that can not be picked apart unless you are a madman or a fanatic.
by  created
 16 Sep 2008 03:19
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You know, people have the same view on war, the same views on everything people view as immoral, bad oh shun oh shun oh shun. It's the World and if you haven't woken up yet, I believe we're in the year 2008, if I am wrong do wake me up.

Stop with all this immoral stuff. Porn is not immoral, because if it were it wouldn't be so widespread as it is. Besides, porn is not just here, in the U.S.A., it is everywhere.

I'm tired of people whining over what's right and wrong, would you rather everything be nice and dandy, dull and boring? Bull to you if you say so. No one does and no matter how much people want to think keeping the world at peace is what will solve it, they're kidding themselves. It's keeping peace with yourself.

Thus bringing me to the porn subject. First I would like to say Adults are much older than children, I would hope, and for that fact ALONE it instantly loses almost all its immorality there. And comparing it to something such as child porn? Come on, that's the immoral part.

If you think a kid viewing porn is going to get up and go make a porno themselves? To my knowledge, that's called "abuse" for the fact that another adult makes them do it, or tells them it's a good idea.

So when they're forced to, it's then immoral, yes that is right. And it's not porn's fault, it's the individual who thought it'd be cool to go do what he did, I mean he thought it was a good idea. It'd be him being the immoral one.

Think about it, kids don't just go to the store, buy a camera and walk around the streets looking for fine lookin' baby foxes.

Yes children are young and they like to explore and for Christ's Sake, 'scuse my hebrew, let them.

Which brings me to my next point. Children viewing porn brings no harm. It's their parents who must watch over them and guide them.

I doubt some Kid, keep in mind I say kid, is going to let some site rule over what his, or her parents say.

Which brings me to my next point, a kid doesn't know what the hell is going on when he or she watches it, most likely. And if he, or she, does then just take it as an early learning session. Besides like I said, parents should be watching them.

Porn has become so big that it has allowed many people to become famous and get that paper. It's not exposure when you have money covering you. Excuse the metaphor.

I am sure a porn star is not going to let his, or her children become like them and as a matter of fact will have enough money to send them to a great school and so what if the kids at the school watch his, or her mom. What're they going to say to hurt the kid's feelings?

"Oh man, I saw your mom last night."

"Oh man, I did your mom last night."

Or any other lame comebacks as such are easily defended against.

People need to shut up with all that is immoral, everything that happens in this world happens for a reason, so go ahead and make it bad if you want.

Also, stop comparing apples and oranges.

It's the adults, remember, who are immoral. They actually can think for themselves. And if you recall me saying do you think a kid would listen to a site over someone else, or their parents, you're kidding yourself. So if the parents say it's wrong, they kid will listen and vice versa they will listen.

And when adults make the porn, themselves...it's for entertainment and it's actually not against the law which is why you see so many sites around having to make sure you're above the age of eighteen before they do anything to you, also before you enter any of the sites they place the same crap. You have to be eighteen to enter and I say anyone who tries to warn before hand...has a heart.

I could go on all day, but I'll just wait for someone to comment so I can talk to them and answer any questions they have.
 
 Genkaku  22 Aug 2008 14:23
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 Also, just to add.

Not only am I disagreeing with your example, no matter how horrible it was, I am also disagreeing with your title.

If something if immoral now doesn't mean it won't be moral later.
I mean look at the changes with language used on Television, movies, radiotalk and so on.
The world is and has been changing and so will its morals.

Besides, morals..mostly everyone's are different, it's too vague of a topic really.
by  Genkaku
 05 Sep 2008 20:53
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It used to be immoral for a woman to show her ankle, it's not considered to be anymore.

Generally I'd agree that child pornography would always be immoral, but one problem with it is the definition of a child might not always be the same. Even now there would be debate about whether a 15 year old having sex with another 15 year old and taping it was part of a horrible immoral act of child pornography or instead was just a teenager having some kinky fun.

Anyway, I'm still steadfast against child pornography, I just don't think it's as simple as once immoral then always immoral.
 
 Grenache  20 Aug 2008 22:15
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Adult pornography is neither moral nor immoral when it involves consenting adults. Child pornography is immoral and illegal as it takes advantage of and abuses vulnerable minors.
 
 sensai80  20 Aug 2008 19:18
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 Unfortunately, children get involved in porn long before they reach adulthood. Many of them who have succumbed to the immorality of it at a young age, "vulnerable minors", normally carry that immorality into adult hood. It was immoral before they were consenting adults and immoral when they became consenting; Not the act itself, but the act of performing it for an audience. So how does pornography, regardless of the type, evolve into something ok...morally?

Since you stated that child porn is immoral, I assume that you have an understanding of morality.
by  athling
 20 Aug 2008 20:55
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Immoral porn never becomes moral porn, as it is finite. It is a thing and cannot change, we can only change how we feel about it. Pornography is not immoral, it is just images of people having sex as performance with the intent to arouse the viewer. There is no immorality in that
 
 eelmonkey  20 Aug 2008 18:16
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 So to you, porn is just porn. Nothing more. It is neither immoral or moral? Just entertainment. I suppose one must see sex as a sacred union in order to understand the morality of it. If we have differing opinions on morality, then I suppose it is an infinite discussion. I am simply looking for the line between immorality and morality. I see no line. What begins as immoral remains immoral.
by  athling
 20 Aug 2008 20:41
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Hold on a mo. What have you done there? You seem to have lumped child porn into the same category as regular porn. Why? There is a clear distinction between the two just as there is a clear distinction between having sex and having sex with a child. It seems very obvious to me, what am I missing?
 
 Mosschops  20 Aug 2008 18:04
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 i don't think it is you that is missing something
by  eelmonkey
 20 Aug 2008 18:13
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