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Nobody Ever Hears How Well That Community Obama "Organized" Is Doing.

I wonder why? As we all know, results matter. Anybody here know the results? Seems to me if there were any they would be showing them too us.

Bugman

15 Sep 2008 22:54

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I don't even know what you're talking about, so i guess people haven't really been hearing about it. What community?

ur_wrong

17 Oct 2008 21:13

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He takes great pride in being a 'community organizer' in Chicago during his younger days. I am wondering what great benefits that community received from his 'organizing'. I wonder how well those people are doing today....

Bugman

18 Oct 2008 09:51

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It's ummm, kind of a rhetorical question Steve. We never do hear about the results of his "organizing". Don't you think they would be trumpeting them from the highest mountain top if there were any.

PUT THIS IN THE WRONG PLACE.

Bugman

15 Sep 2008 23:22

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I am interested to know. How about you do some research first and then start a discussion so we have something to talk about.

SteveTruth

15 Sep 2008 23:08

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I think he was asking if anyone knew.
You say you are interested in knowing.
I would think your interest would lead you to do the research.
Then you would have a reason to discuss the topic.

justsumguy

15 Sep 2008 23:19

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Obama’s professional colleagues, people like Jerry Kellman, believe his lasting accomplishment was to build an organization, the Developing Communities Project, that survived his departure. Today, DCP still exists, run out of a small Methodist church building on 95th Street, working on after-school programs, drug prevention, and voter registration. It has become, much more than it was when Obama was there, a grant-getting institution; according to tax records, about three-quarters of its funding comes from government grants, with the rest from liberal foundations like the Woods Fund, on whose board Obama sat from 1993 to 2002.

menhim1967

03 Jan 2009 14:46

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Jesus Christ was a community organizer.

Pontius Pilate was a Governor.

Any questions?

grokit

15 Sep 2008 23:29

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A community organizer. That's funny.
And Pilate didn't do anything wrong as far as the Jesus story goes. Easy to criticize a Governor isn't it.
Alot easier than criticizing a Senator. All they do is vote.

justsumguy

15 Sep 2008 23:32

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The Romans killed Jesus as a political threat, as they had killed many other prophets, brigands, rebels during the first century, up to about 30 a week.

Jesus called for a renewal of the terms of the covenant (Leviticus 19), a return of the land to the original tribal owners (law of Jubilee), and often spoke out against the compromised leadership in Jerusalem.

Like the prophets of old, Jesus preached about the kingdom of God. "Render unto Caesar" means, give back to Caesar his own coin with his image on it, and to God what is God's, namely, the land itself which God ultimately owns and which God gave directly to Israel in the covenant (Joshua 24:13).

Jesus' message was both spiritually and politically threatening first to the Roman authorities and secondarily to their client appointees in Jerusalem.

Mark, the earliest Gospel we have, was written ca. 60-70 CE. He shows Jesus' death as a collusion between the compromised leaders and Pilate, kind of 50/50, but Mark 15:15 makes it clear that it was Pilate who had him crucified.

Matthew and Luke were written much later, ca. 80-95, and reflect different interests and viewpoints.

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By the way grokit, how about that "easier to criticize a governor" thing? Come on, you have to admit that was a good one.

I can't stop laughing.

Lets look at a few nuggets from  Mark 14 and 15...just for the fun of it.

Then Judas Iscariot, who was one of the twelve, went to the CHIEF PRIESTS in order to betray him to them.

And immediately, while he was still speaking, Judas came, one of the twelve, and with him a crowd with swords and clubs, from the CHIEF PRIESTS and the SCRIBES and the ELDERS.

Day after day I was with you in the temple teaching, and you did not seize me.

And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”  And the high priest tore his garments and said, “What further witnesses do we need? You have heard his blasphemy. What is your decision?” And they all condemned him as deserving death.

For he (PILATE) perceived that it was out of envy that the chief priests had delivered him up. But the chief priests stirred up the crowd to have him release for them Barabbas instead. And Pilate again said to them, “Then what shall I do with the man you call the King of the Jews?”  And they cried out again, “Crucify him.”  And Pilate said to them, “Why, what evil has he done?” But they shouted all the more, “Crucify him.” So Pilate, wishing to satisfy the crowd, released for them Barabbas, and having scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.

I'll try to be nice to grokit. I'll try and not make fun of grokit.

But it ain't gonna be easy.

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