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I've heard a lot of people blame others for things they do. But my strong belief is that people should take 100% responsibility for their own actions, even if they feel forced, trapped, or threatened.

Calvin

19 Aug 2008 18:23

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As long as you’re responsible for your own actions then you are responsible for your own actions. Meaning if you in your right mind then make up your own mind.

finsch

02 Oct 2008 22:53

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The most they can do is to influence you to the point of practically making you do something. But technically, it's choice.

Stranger

23 Sep 2008 01:37

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people can.....contribute to your demise - I mean, surprise.
surprise you into making a choice based on emotion or feeling sometimes.....rather than the usual cerebral one: robotoman-like.

Scorpion

02 Oct 2008 19:24

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What is this outrageous nonsense you speak of Calvin!!!!!!! You can't possibly be saying that people should take ownership of their actions, are you? That kind of silliness might lead to an attitude of taking responsibility for their lives! Then what? People would start finding success easier to attain, they'd break down barriers they always felt were holding them back, etc...

This is simply irresponsible of you to even submit as a remote possibility! Everyone knows that your parents are responsible for shaping who you are. If you didn't have parents it was a community of people who are responsible. You can't be responsible for your actions after that. Worse yet, once you go out on your own you're eventually pigeon-holed by society, and you can never get out of that.

In the end you will recognize that you never really had any choice and any choices you do have are too hard to make. It is best if we turn over our lives to the will of the government. I know it sounds defeatist, but if we give it a name or a cause like "equality" or "fairness" others will eventually buy in to our view, and responsibility will be no more!

All tongue-in-cheek of course. It was fun to type though!

Cons_Lies

20 Aug 2008 02:27

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Calvin

20 Aug 2008 05:41

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So we don't go too far off the topic this is a debate about Choice & Control

Calvin

19 Aug 2008 18:29

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I think that someteimes a person may feel pressured into doing a particular thing or maybe they have been threatned by someone or something then or in thier pasy which makes them want to follow something through. The pressure would be intensified if : The person involved was an authorative or superior figure, if the person was a loved one or cared for or if an individual had or was suffering in some way. So it depends on an individual and circumstances more than a person being influenced towards doing something. Ultimately though there is still an aspect of free will which is innate, though this maybe be overiden by other factors.

Eeyore

08 Jan 2009 14:50

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....I don't totally disagree with this, I guess, but....what about brainwashing? Isn't that weirdly out of someone's control? This is kind of over my head...
Also, do you really believe all of this stuff or are you just being contrary? OH! Hey, if a dude walked into the street without looking both ways and a car hit him and killed him, didn't he kind of make the driver become a killer?

DayBee

23 Aug 2008 09:17

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It depends on will. If you exert your will to its fullest, then you would die rather than co-operate but in turn someone will have caused that effect.

keepmindok

21 Aug 2008 13:11

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First off, unless you have endured the extreme tortures which have occurred on this planet, your "strong belief" is based on on your limited and narrow experience.

Taking 100% responsibility for ones actions, while being quite noble for the unlikely person who has recognized all their errors and will do them no more, would seem to produce arrogance in the more likely scenario where the person has recognized some of their errors while continuing to make errors.

There simply is no comparing choice. You have a child born to a crack addict mother who has nothing and lives in a large city in a third world country. The mothers boyfriend is a pedophile. You have another child born to a loving family in an upper middle class country home in Iowa. The parents are simple, hard working folk who have no major vices.

It's true that the crack addict baby could mature into a great life and the other baby could turn into a crack addict pedophile. The odds are against it.

To compare the choices these two individuals are faced with is idiocy.

To compare the choices that any two individuals are faced with is idiocy.

The comparisons are all ego based to prop up the esteem of the person doing the comparing.

justsumguy

20 Aug 2008 01:12

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Then you're saying the founding fathers had it all wrong? What you're saying is that NOT all men are created equal?

Using your logic, should we not mandate that all crack addict mothers be forced to have abortions? In fact, we could curb poverty by sterilizing everyone below the poverty level, couldn't we?

I agree that comparing choices is idiotic, but only because it doesn't matter. In the end, freedom, happiness, and success are only attained though an individual accepting responsibility and ownership for their actions and their lives. Everything else is just excuses.

Cons_Lies

20 Aug 2008 02:35

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Cons-Lies, good explanation but I think you're being lead to conclude something other than what I said.

The only hint of a suggestion which is a match to your conclusion is where I said, "odds are". Odds are is a fact. I even stated that the crack baby could mature into a great person. It's as if you are reading what you want and skipping the rest. No worries, I have no problem with pointing it out. It usually makes me laugh.

And I'm not comparing the choices themselves....I am blatantly saying it is silly to do so. The comparison I'm making is to the outside influences such as forced, trapped or threatened. The threat of not being able to afford college compared to the threat of not being able to feed your little sister.

Anyway, I do have a problem with  "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps".  While I agree taking responsibility for ones own actions and life is a great thing, there is more to it. Having spent years with one of the most primitive people on the planet, I can easily say there are comparisons to feeling forced, trapped, or threatened.

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No. People can't be blamed for their actions if they are being blackmailed of otherwise threatened. It wasn't their choice.

Sanareth

19 Aug 2008 21:07

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Explain....your statement is unclear.

Because from my understanding Blackmail gives you a choice. If they didn't it would probably be called a robbery.

You get to choose to Pay or Not to pay. and quite frankly it is illegal to pay a person blackmail.

Calvin

19 Aug 2008 21:34

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Http://www.mindpowernews.com/5Psychological.htm

Yes, conformity and pressure are powerful forces on our psychology.

sander

19 Aug 2008 19:49

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That's true, but don't forget we have the ability to conform our own selves to what we believe it should be conformed to.

The things that happen outside of our minds have less control over our actions, than the things that happen inside our minds.

No one can make you into a murder. you have to choose to do that.
If you kill someone it is not necessarily murder it may be self defence.

Now one can make you defend yourself you have to choose to do that.

It is easier to convince your self, than for conformity to convince you. Conformity cannot succeed without your permission.

If that was the case then everyone would believe in God.

Calvin

19 Aug 2008 19:55

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Jack Bauer would disagree.

grokit

19 Aug 2008 18:49

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Who's Jack Bauer?

ScottyRAWR

19 Aug 2008 19:29

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I'm sorry to tell you but people can make you do things, and can cause you to do things.
I know, as I was helping out a friend of mine when someone else made a comment about how I spent so much time on them.
My reply wasn't exactly nice, nor calm, and ended up with her attempting suicide.

ScottyRAWR

19 Aug 2008 18:34

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Then by your definitions you should go to prison for attempted murder.

Lucky thing she didn't go through with it, else I would advocate the electric chair for you for first degree murder.

Based on your definitions.

Calvin

19 Aug 2008 19:48

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