Christian Evangelicals Are Plotting To Remake America In Their Own...

Christian Evangelicals Are Plotting To Remake America In Their Own Image

Dominionist and Moral Majority founder D. James Kennedy, the most influential evangelical you've never heard of: "Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost," Kennedy says. "We are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors -- in short, over every aspect and institution of human society."

grokit

03 Sep 2008 15:08

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Yes, and in exactly the same way that fundy Muslims plan to create a "caliphate": To rule the world through violence and fear. That's what the ignorance of religion gets you.

Bertrand Russell was right. He said communism and Christianity hated each other not because they were so different, but because they were so similar. The same is true of fundy christians and fundy muslims.

14 Oct 2008 18:06

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Yeah including jimmy XSwaggart and Born again again Jim Bakker

keepmindok

04 Sep 2008 01:52

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Wow, that was a well thought out, reasoned argument. You see two sordid examples but not the thousands of examples of self-sacrificing people that there are. I guess your viewpoint is formed by what you see on TV versus what reality presents you.

Bugman

04 Sep 2008 02:15

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Although not true for EVERY Evangelical it is certainly true for SOME of them. Our vigilance is required to make sure freedom and democracy are not swallowed by a new misguided Christian theocracy. That's part of the reason I lash out at bold Christian posts on this site -- it's not that I don't believe in God OR that I'm not Christian, I sincerely believe a secular separation of church and state is essential to safeguard our human rights. Christian extremists have a long rich history of horrible atrocities and oppressions in the name of their pursuit of God. I simply don't trust a Christian-agenda government to do more good than harm.

Grenache

04 Sep 2008 00:59

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Are you aware that "separation of church and state" does not occur in the constitution? The amendment simply forbids a state mandated religion or church. And NO, that is not what Christians want, By it's nature, Christianity can only be accepted, not forced. If you mean alot of us want to live by Christian principles, If we can have our beliefs influence government constitutionally, so be it. You have your beliefs, and understandably, you want the government to follow them and we have ours. Read the amendment and honesty will require that you admit that it does NOT say "religious people cannot run government".

Bugman

04 Sep 2008 01:13

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Put all the red (lol) words of Jesus together. Read them beginning to end. Don't stop and zero in on any in particular.

Once that's done, tell me the gist of His words concerning how we should live. (I'm doing this off the top of my head)

1. Love the Lord thy God with all your heart, all your mind and all your understanding, and love thy neighbor as thyself. (I gotta go with that on top seeing as how that was the answer for the main commandment)

2. Don't think you're better than other people. Over and over and over....Jesus literally attacks God's religious (not pagan-not atheist) scholars for being self-righteous.  Calling them vipers and hipocrites while dining in their homes.

3. Spreading the gospel. The good news. The fact that He died for those who need Him. The oppressed. The meek. The weary.

Then let me know all the times Jesus taught politics. How many times did he let us know how important it is to change the world system.
That would be zero times.

How many times do we read about being seperated from the world? That would be quite a few.

Christians should live a life ready to help those in need. Whether spiritually or physically. Dictating policy, trying to preserve the world system to teach our children Christian values is NOT taught by Jesus or anyone else in the New Testament.

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I’m sure certain people of the Christian religion would love to do so. I’m actually interested to find out how many Christians would agree to turning America into a theocracy of Christianity if they thought they could get away with it (kind of like finding out how many “good citizens” would rob a bank if they believed they would escape the police). I’m just anxious to see exactly how many Christians would respect the Constitutional right to freedom of religion and how many wouldn't hesitate to force their principles onto to others if given the chance.

Hizashi

03 Sep 2008 21:50

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Please read the comments going on between bugman and grokit.

Bugman

04 Sep 2008 00:59

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I have to agree with you on this one, grokit. An Evangelical extremist group made up of people between the ages of 10 and 30 known as Battle Cry wants to change government policy which calls for mass censorship which includes banning "perverted music" and banning sex education. It's founder, Ron Luce once said "What does a nation with 4% evangelical christians look like?" Also, people are losing their trust in evangelical politicians fearing that they will violate our constitutional rights and even make the Bible into law.

JoeCool

03 Sep 2008 20:15

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They never quit, they escaped religious persecution in the old world to start it here!

grokit

03 Sep 2008 20:59

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There's no question about it, the Dominionists have a long-term plan for doing just that, it's been a well-known fact for many years. Unfortunately, they're trying to "reclaim" an America that never existed in the first place and one that completely violates the Constitution.

Not that they care or anything.

Cephus

03 Sep 2008 17:24

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Really, it is against the law?

Tell me more ;-) !

grokit

03 Sep 2008 21:00

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"Plotting" eh?
Sounds rather paranoid, really. Especially in light of the fact you have no facts to bear on the debate to underscore your opinion.

PROVE IT.
;-)

Scorpion

04 Sep 2008 01:58

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I believe the above quote speaks for itself!

grokit

04 Sep 2008 02:53

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Here we go again for the simple minded. Christian Evangelicals do not fit into one group. They are quite diverse.

Big name there. The one few have heard of. Don't worry, they aren't going to remake America.

Again, what's the difference between extremists and hysteria driven narrow-mindedness. Not much difference to some of us.

justsumguy

04 Sep 2008 01:05

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Why are there over 30,000 different forms of just Protestantism in the U.S. alone?

Seriously, what is everyone arguing about? It seems to me that it would be more productive to present a united front.

You can see why things might seem a little confusing to non-Christians.

grokit

04 Sep 2008 01:30

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According to popular consensus, Martin Luther is known as the "Father of Protestantism", and as a church reformer whose ideas influenced the Protestant Reformation and changed the course of Western civilization.

"Luther's theology challenged the authority of the papacy by holding that the Bible is the only infallible source of religious authority."

He was also a German monk, theologian, and university professor, and was excommunicated by the Catholic Church for "translating the Bible into the vernacular of the people".

His statements that Jews' homes should be destroyed, their synagogues burned, money confiscated and liberty curtailed were revived and used in propaganda by the Nazis in 1933–45, leaving his world-wide legacy highly controversial.

Also, "The Augsburg Confession, a summary of the Lutheran faith authored by Philipp Melanchthon but influenced by Luther, was read aloud to the emperor. It was the first Lutheran confession included in the Book of Concord of 1580, and is regarded as the principal confession of the Lutheran Church."

So even though he did not start the Lutheran Church, he certainly had a direct, major influence on it.

You ought to read his bio, as your knowledge of his legacy seems a bit "trivial" !

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Sorry, not into popular consensus. But in this case, of course Luther is the "Father of Protestantism". His writings regarding fundamental errors in the Roman Catholic usage of it's Bible and efforts to translate the Bible into German were the catalyst.

And yes, you should read his writings concerning Jews and some other groups. Pretty sick. Then again, he was a Catholic.

And yes, the Ausburg Confession was read aloud to the Emporer and is REGARDED as the principle confession of the Lutheran Church which is definitely inspired by the confession and many of Luthers writings. Luthers efforts in the Protestant movement were broader than the start of a "Lutheran" religion. Luther tried for years to change from within the Catholic Church. He even supported the Church in it's putting down the peasant rebellion (Luther wasn't a big fan of peasants either). This was well into his "protestant" efforts.

Ulrich Zwingli and John Calvin would be the ones who did not agree with Luthers efforts to remain a part of or close to the Catholic Church and organized with a clear cut.

My bad, what I was disagreeing with is your statement he hated Catholics. He may have come to hate Catholics in his last years but most people don't realize how much he tried to remain Catholic.

I've read alot more than his bio. My knowledge of him is way past trivial.

A hint. This little discusson is in reference to the question you asked about the many forms of Protestantism. The answer begins with the mixture of great thoughts and writings with idiotic thoughts and writings of one man. It's something that is quite indicitave about humans but many ignore especially when it comes to popular consensus.

Oh gosh. Here go the tinfoil helmets and black helicopters again..:-) Christian evangelicals are plottong to take over America? Justcool mentions "Battle Cry" and you Cephus mentions "Dominionists". Well, grokit, lots of groups want lots of things and if they want that it does not mean all evangelicals are "plotting". Do you not think that your initial debate kinda lumps all evangelicals in together on that one. You say Christian evangelicals" in your headline but the body of your debate mention a specific group. Define "plotting" please. If you mean by changing the minds of Americans through elections, than so be it. That is the American way. If another way, will you please tell me about it.

Bugman

03 Sep 2008 20:38

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No, but all evangelicals will go along with it, as you have stated, "so be it", when the "American way", in my opinion, is to escape religious persecution.

This "fringe element's" message of "love and hope" has "inspired millions of Americans and others worldwide through the institutions he founded, including Coral Ridge Ministries, Knox Theological Seminary, and Westminster Academy."

grokit

03 Sep 2008 20:55

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