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Morality Is A Man-made Subject
There is no rational proof that ethics exist independent of our thoughts about them. No person or culture has claim of moral supremacy and therefore has no right to dictate morals to others.
 dph86  23 Mar 2008 22:14
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The only morality is "survive and propagate". Anything that conflicts with that is "immoral", if such a concept could be applied.

People work with each other because of one simple fact: You might get what you want by force when you're awake, but you can't protect yourself while you're asleep. All structures and societies that have ever existed did so because of selfish altruism.

People obey the law not because it's "right" but because they recognize that going along and giving up some individual actions will protect them in other situations - a sort of "social contract" we all sign onto. The religious types do it too, so don't believe them if they lie and say they don't. When a theist does "good things", they don't do it because it's right, they do it because they score brownie points with their "god".

The only time the "law of the jungle" of absolute selfishness can work is if there are people willing to support the abuses of a totalitarian regime (e.g. Stalin, Hitler, popes, George Bush). People support such regimes for two reasons - they either benefit from it (like a Kapo in the death camps) or they petrified into obedience, like a person in an abusive relationship.
 
 K9  20 May 2008 17:24
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Without question, morality comes from the mind of the individual. There is no single standard of morality, it is simply impossible to find any common thread that runs through all cultures across time, even murder and rape have been thought moral by some cultures.
 
 Cephus  24 Mar 2008 06:31
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 Provide an example of a culture where rape is morally acceptable. That is of course different from where rape is practice and not punished.

In atheist governments an argument could possibly be made, because morality is not an issue.
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 17 Apr 2008 17:10
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I agree. I believe that an individual's perception of what is 'right' and what is 'wrong' is simply the result of psychological conditioning (especially during early childhood). We feel anxious when considering doing something that society has deemed 'wrong' because we know it will have personal negative consequences for us (i.e. We will be punished by the law, our family etc).

Therefore, if a child were to grow up in a hypothetical society that had no ethics or morals (and hence no punishment), he too would not develop ethics or morals. I believe therefore, that no one person/nation/race can ever correctly claim that their values/ethics/morals are superior to conflicting opinions. I believe it all boils down to where, when, and how you are brought up.
 
 Benjamin_Langlois  24 Mar 2008 01:33
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So the question is.... "Is there a moral law for our universe?"

The answer to that question would answer many, many others.

I don't have a proof for you right now but I will work on it.
 
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No. Morals are your compass: Without? You are lost............
 
 Scorpion  21 Jul 2008 04:04
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As opposed to what? Morality is a spiritual based structure. The spirituality is based in faith. Faith in a God or higher power of some kind. Faith by its nature cannot be proven to exist, but it is where morality does come. Nature is not moral.
 
 innomen  17 Apr 2008 14:51
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Morality, I believe, is the result of evolutionary psychological benefits. Such benefits may include; conformity, or reciprocation. It was not until later in our evolutionary history (about a few thousand years ago) that we started wonder what gives us our moral compass. Some decided to attach it to the notion of God, and come up with the idea that there is only good and evil - this view, of course, without access to an evolutionary explanation.

The moral changes that have occurred since (and are reflected in the changes in the law) are down to the shifting moral zeitgeist - the idea that as our modern societies become more complex, consensus forces our moral beliefs to change.

So morality would be independent of our thoughts (had we not started to question), but in a much more primitive form.

On your other point, you're right that no person or culture has claim of moral supremacy, but in order to move forward morally, it is necessary to open debate (and, dare I say it, criticize) with those who we believe to be acting immorally.
 
 JRCBailey  23 Mar 2008 23:34
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