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| Lucifer Isn't Such A Bad Guy |
| I thought I would start this debate to challenge some beliefs and see if I am not alone in this opinion. First off, I am by no means a Satanist, and I am in fact athiest, but the topic of Good and Evil is of great interest to me. Having done research of my own and after reading texts like Paradise Lost, it seems to me that idea of Lucifer is greatly misunderstood. I'm not talking about "The Devil", but the fallen angel Lucifer, who is the only one in history to famously defy the Christian dogma. |
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Lucifer, while he may be evil, is also nessacary. Otherwise, he wouldn't exist (unless, of course,
he was of equal power to God).
If you read the bible, him and god have an almost cordial relationship (read Job. They are like two
friends making a wager. Or the new testament. Haven't you ever said "i will never..." and one of
your friends teases and tests you?). |
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Lucifer in all fairness is a good guy.
And I got called a Satanist for about three years for telling people not to judge him.
I don't think he really cares about the people inn Hell and just let's them live their own lives. |
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I think lucifer is more like the moral majority preacher you don't like on TV, only alot smarter. I
see lucifer as being consumed with his mission to save heaven from the sinners and being a martyr
for his self sacrifice.
I think lucifer is consumed with the cause.
Lucifer has been correct about everything. But lucifer simply doesn't get that little thing called
love. I think lucifer hates the world with a passion. It is a weakness and it is a hoax.
Sometimes I wish I was a real bad dude that could see love as a weakness and a hoax. But I'm a puss. |
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In the story of genesis god told Adam and eve not to eat from the tree of knowledge . For if they
did they would surely die. A scare tactic to keep them ignorant from the truth but Lucifer (which
means light bearer highest angel sat on the right hand side of god also known as the bright and
morning star same as Jesus he was called bright and morning star and went up to sit on the right
hand side of god hmmmmm) Satan told her that she would not die if she eat from the tree of knowledge
so she did and it says in genesis after she eat rom the tree of knowledge genesis 3 ; 22 and the
LORD GOD said behold the man is become as one of us to know good and evil; and now, lest he put
forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life and eat and live for ever.
Check this statement out
1. Adam and eve became like god knowing good and evil
so them fol owing Satan they became as god. This is a rehash of a much older story from the Sumerian
writings where their are two gods one called enqi the serpent who was responsible for the creation
of man and his friend and the other enlil his self righteous brother who had no love for enqis
creation but just as slaves made to order. Check out the sumerian writings these gods in modern
language would be referred to as extraterrestrials |
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Here's an alternative story:
Power corrupts therefore absolute power corrupts absolutely.
God slowly becomes corrupted due to limitless power (He's God right?)
Lucifer doesn't like how his boss is changing and tries (in his own special way) to "set things
right" but as we know 'the road to Hell is paved with good intentions'.
God sends Lucifer down to Hell and seals the place off from Earth and Heaven effectively making Hell
autonomous.
Lucifer, annoyed at this but sealed away from God (who now has no power over him or the domain of
Hell) decides to go his own way and make Hell a 'slightly more rough Heaven' where he judges people
himself and looks after those who were sent down mistakenly (God is corrupted remember?) but doing
all the stereotypical 'Burn in Hell' tortures to those really deserving.
Of course that's just a wild guess but I don't believe Lucifer is as bad as everyone makes him out
to be. |
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Lucifer is far better than God. He provides a role model; He fought against an oppressive overlord
who remained totalitarianistic over everything, similar to big brother from George Orwells 1984 who
prevented people from thinking for themselves.
Lucifer shows us that you need to stand up and fight for you belief's even if you face a superior
figure. |
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Yes. I totally and completely agree.
I am by no means associated with any sort of religion but he is truly not as bad as the church has
always tried to make him out to be. I guess every "super hero" needs a "bad guy" and he was the one.
Of course I believe that the Bible is one of the best works of fictitious literature ever written,
but only just so. |
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This thought occurred to me recently when I started a debate about Eve. What was her crime? Choosing
knowledge over mindless ignorance. Satan's was no different. Even accepting Christian mythology on
its own terms, it's obvious that their God is unjust, oppressive and tyrannical. He wants mindless
obedience. He demands worship and prizes our acts of submission to him more highly than he prizes
virtuous conduct. The paradise he offers is the paradise of servitude.
Satan made the right choice in rebelling against this tyranny. He is commonly portrayed as evil.
Really? In what way is he evil? Do we ever hear of him sadistically murdering people for the joy of
it? Do we ever hear of him demanding that one of his slaves murders his own child to show the full
extent of his mindless submission to him, as we do of "God"? No. Satan chose freedom over slavery.
He chose to think for himself rather than have his thoughts dictated by the tyrant. He is a hero in
the mould of Spartacus, or William Wallace, who chose brave and, ultimately, doomed rebellion over
acceptance of the tyrant's yoke. |
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As an English lit major, I am one of the handful of late- 20th century people who have actually read
John Milton’s epic poem “Paradise Lost.”
The thing that struck me most about this classic is how intensely interesting Lucifer (Satan) was,
compared to that simpering Goody Two-shoes Christ.
It is human nature to root for the underdog. Even in films, our favorite characters are “the bad
guys,” not those in the white hats.
Lucifer fascinates because he is so conflicted. Basically a good guy gone astray, he differs very
little from Christ, at least initially. We admire Satan’s heroic energy -- energy for a bad cause,
but intriguing energy nonetheless.
Lucifer’s fall parallels that of Adam, and invokes the same pity in us. We can relate to Satan’s
weaknesses, strivings, and inevitable defeats. He appeals to us in the same way as does Judas, as a
mislead anti-hero. |
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All Lucifer tried to do was get rid of a highly prideful, vengeful, and evil dictator. Like the
Allies going for the Axis.
The Bible is full of anti-Satan propaganda. What did he actually do that was so bad anyway. Freed
man from ignorance? Taught him to enjoy his earthly body? -- How evil.
How did that song go;
"And the Lord said
I burn down your cities-how blind you must be
I take from you your children and you say how blessed are we
You all must be crazy to put your faith in me
That's why I love mankind
You really need me
That's why I love mankind" |
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Exactly!! So he tried to insight revolution and failed and henceforth, everyone thinks he was bad or
evil, but every failed revolution is seen as wrong. Does that mean if hed succeeded, hed be hailed
as a hero?
Tbh, i wouldn't be surprised if the whole "tourtures people in Hell for eternity" is a smear
campaign on behalf of God.
Besides, God created Hell!! |
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The crimes of "satan" in the buybull:
1. Suggesting Adam and Steve seek knowledge.
2. Asking "god" to prove Blow...uh, Job's "faith".
3. Asking "jesus" to think for himself while sitting under the baobab tree.
The alleged acts of "revelations" don't count because they haven't happened yet - as if they
could...
Total number of people tormented or killed by "satan": Zero.
Now for "god":
1. Destroyed the world TWICE.
2. Destroyed "sodom and gomorrah" because they weren't friendly to strangers (it had nothing to do
with alleged homosexuality).
3. Condemns billions to "hell" for not believing in "him", including those who never heard of
buybull myth.
Total number of people tormented or killed by "god": Billions.
Who's really the evil one? And as we know, the winners write the history (read: Propaganda) who
should we believe? |
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 K9  28 Apr 2008 19:22
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He is. He is smart. You have to consider thousand of years of expertise on the human race if you
consider his existence. Most likely the CEO in a competitive system. Satan desires to be worshipped,
At your expense. Why do you think he offered Jesus back the world if Jesus would just bow down to
him then and there. He is indulgent and reckless. Systematic and tries to put consequences upon
others. That isn't bad? |
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Lets get to facts I do not know what Bible Mythology you are reading but in mythology there is not
fact behind it, the only facts that I know is God gave everyone including the angels choice between
good and evil and he did not want the angel to bow to men, he wanted them to serve their needs,
what happened to Lucifer is he became jealous he was the most revered of all angels, Gods favorite
and he did not like that God was making a being in his image, Lucifer was only called Lucifer in
heaven, when he was cast out he became Satan God created Lucifer to be sheer perfection, and now
look at him iniquity was found in him, if I was Gods favorite why would I care about mankind, I am
still Gods favorite, it was not about bowing to God, maybe God made mankind just to test Lucifer,
we really don't know because we don't have exact written documents as to what God does and why he
does it, I just know that Lucifer was a great angel but Satan is nothing but bad |
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YOU ARE A J@CK you know nothing ignorrant freak of nature! |
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Lucifer was the name of Satan/the devil when he was an angel. I would pretty much write the same
thing as every body else has on this side. I am completely against lucifer/satan/the devil |
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If you do not believe he exists or the Bible is true then you can take any text that fits your
description of him while rejecting any that oppose your opinion.
That said...I will only debate what I know to be true which is from the Bible. Isaiah chapter 14
tells the story of Lucifer and how he wanted to overthrow God and set himself up as God. God
created him and that's the thanks Lucifer gave him. Later (chronologically) Lucifer, called the
serpent, lied to Eve to get her to eat the fruit which he knew would cause her and Adam and their
descendents to die. Revelation 12:9 says Satan deceives the whole world...in other words, he lies
to the whole world. Later in verse 15 he attempts to murder the "woman" mentioned.
So, he is a murderer, a liar, a thief, an ingrate, and he hates all of humanity (that includes you).
If you want to follow him then that is your business but do not try to tell me he is a good guy or a
descent fellow or just misunderstood. He is evil in its purest form and would love to lie to you to
get you to believe he is a good guy so he can cause you to be destroyed in hell. |
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Um....oookay. Yeah, he's not a good guy, no matter how much you may say he is. |
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Sure, he's a great guy, after all we wouldn't be here if not for him.
(/sarcasm) |
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He defied God. He tried to stage a coup in heaven. That sure sounds like a bad guy to me. |
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 Mark 30 Apr 2008 00:55
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He wanted to take Gods spot in the universe and be him. Now he is satan and is the root of evil. |
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