Life Is Nothing Special And Has No Meaning.

meaning- a reason to exist. Does life have a reason in the universe. Now i don't want to sound like i'm going against religion but IS there a reason why you typed that will effect any physical. I'd say mental also but mental tends to lean more toward human life then anything else. "Further cannot there be meaning to the universe that is connected to life" to assume so would be going into forseeing, unhappened events which is assuming alot on such a large scale. Without earth the universe has no less meaning unless all of its matter is removed which is thought impossible. If the earths matter was removed then the universe would have less matter then before and would be smaller, even by a very tiny insignificent percentage, which is a change to the universe. If hte earth was just destroyed all matter would still be there and if the universe ever did go back together into one small space it would still be equally large as before. We cannot go into the ideas of mental meaning onto ones self because life is proven to be the only thing in the known universe that we have found with mental thoughts of its own and leaves a entire factor that all unliving matter would lack. Everything must have relation to the universe becuase that is hwere everything exists and without the universe nothing that we know of would exist. "A drum without drum sticks will still exist but it has less meaning" Did it ever have meaning in the first place. If i find a rock in the middle of the desert does me moving it somewhere else give it any more meaning then it had when it was at the previous spot.

Edit: 4:18 have to go to work if you reply i wont be able to reply until tomorrows cya have fun man

Smito

12 Jun 2008 22:47

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meaning- a reason to exist. Does life have a reason in the universe. Now i don't want to sound like i'm going against religion but IS there a reason why you typed that will effect any physical. I'd say mental also but mental tends to lean more toward human life then anything else. "Further cannot there be meaning to the universe that is connected to life" to assume so would be going into forseeing, unhappened events which is assuming alot on such a large scale. Without earth the universe has no less meaning unless all of its matter is removed which is thought impossible. If the earths matter was removed then the universe would have less matter then before and would be smaller, even by a very tiny insignificent percentage, which is a change to the universe. If hte earth was just destroyed all matter would still be there and if the universe ever did go back together into one small space it would still be equally large as before. We cannot go into the ideas of mental meaning onto ones self because life is proven to be the only thing in the known universe that we have found with mental thoughts of its own and leaves a entire factor that all unliving matter would lack. Everything must have relation to the universe becuase that is hwere everything exists and without the universe nothing that we know of would exist.  "A drum without drum sticks will still exist but it has less meaning" Did it ever have meaning in the first place. If i find a rock in the middle of the desert does me moving it somewhere else give it any more meaning then it had when it was at the previous spot.

Edit: 4:18 have to go to work if you reply i wont be able to reply until tomorrows cya have fun man

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meaning- a reason to exist. Does life have a reason in the universe. Now i don't want to sound like i'm going against religion but IS there a reason why you typed that will effect any physical. I'd say mental also but mental tends to lean more toward human life then anything else. "Further cannot there be meaning to the universe that is connected to life" to assume so would be going into forseeing, unhappened events which is assuming alot on such a large scale. Without earth the universe has no less meaning unless all of its matter is removed which is thought impossible. If the earths matter was removed then the universe would have less matter then before and would be smaller, even by a very tiny insignificent percentage, which is a change to the universe. If hte earth was just destroyed all matter would still be there and if the universe ever did go back together into one small space it would still be equally large as before. We cannot go into the ideas of mental meaning onto ones self because life is proven to be the only thing in the known universe that we have found with mental thoughts of its own and leaves a entire factor that all unliving matter would lack. Everything must have relation to the universe becuase that is hwere everything exists and without the universe nothing that we know of would exist.  "A drum without drum sticks will still exist but it has less meaning" Did it ever have meaning in the first place. If i find a rock in the middle of the desert does me moving it somewhere else give it any more meaning then it had when it was at the previous spot.

Edit: 4:18 have to go to work if you reply i wont be able to reply until tomorrows cya have fun man

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You are basing your argument on there is no meaning to anything.  Meaning is outside the realm of science.  Meaning is not within the boundaries of the physical.  It is the great shortcoming of science.  There is no measurement for meaning nor is there any branch of science that approaches the meaning within existence.  Therefore if the universe exists as a vessle for life then there is an emptiness without the life.  There is less meaning to the universe.

You speak in only physical terms, and yet there are no physical manifestations to meaning.

Did a drum, without drumsticks, have meaning in the first place?  It did indeed, as it perfomed a function in the process of music or a  beat.  There was intention to the drums creation.

Ah, but i approach intelligent or intentional design or at least existence and i await the usual response.  I also forsee the usual impasse.

Before you start, here is the response i will have before you post.  You cannot measure or have any way of even approaching an indication of meaning in the universe.  There is no way of doing so.  Your conclusion (without a shred of evidence or proof or insight even) is there is no meaning.  I on the other hand see evidence all the time of meaning in life.  It is as basic to my understanding as my ABC's.

Hope you had a nice night at work.

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I'm 15 and i work at a restraunt that will not pay more then 6.50 a hour even after 1 year. If someone goes by a drum and has no idea what its used for and the first thing they figure out about it is that it can be used as a bowl does that mean its new meaning is a bowl. Intention is relative per person i can buy a flood light but maybe my intention is to turn it into a flash light? 
"To make a conclusion about meaning without any sort of evidence or indication pointing toward the conclusion is by your own process flawed and assumptory."
there is plenty of evidence to assume that a drum is a bowl. Its bowl shaped it can hold things and its possible to eat out of it. Lets assume that i find a drum with a basin shape and a large indent in the bottom to produce a different sound. Evidence can support that maybe that is a bowl set up on a stand to hold it? If i hit it it may make a sound but then again i can hit a glass of water with a stick and have a sound produced. Does that mean taht that glass of water was intended to be manufactured as a drum? No it means its "meaning to a human" can change and that nothing is set in stone.

what's work like for you?

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Hehe that must be rather mundane.

Yes but there is no real intended meaning. I could buy a large car where the company's intended meaning was to have me drive it while my intended meaning was to take it apart. The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is at all comprehensible. -Albert Einstein .  I see almost everything as entirely opinion based or relative based. I may a object for one thing but another person may use it as another. A man taken to jail attempted suicide in a very odd way. He took a deck of playing cards, keep in mind this was a long long time ago aroudn 1852. The man took a deck of playing cards and tore away the red pieces and stuff them into a tube leg of his bed. He then poured water into the leg and sealed it will a broom. Then taking the leg and placing it on the parafin heater he waited for his death to come. The cards exploded and he had committed suicide. Now we cannot assume that this story is true but it shows how one man used very objects and turned their manafactured meanings into entirely different meanings. 1. Cards- he didnt play with the cards he caused them to explode
2. bed leg- Didn't support the bed was used to contain and pressurize the explosion
3. Broom- Used to seal the bed leg
4. Water- didn't drink it he used it to saturate the pieces of playing cards. cannot really manafacture water tho:)
5. parrafin heater-used to cause the cards to explode not to heat the room.

its good fun to argue with you:)