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Liberals Fear Freedom
True Freedom is only attainable through taking personal responsibility. Freedom does not equate with success or happiness. It is what it is. Freedom. Liberals would like government to take responsibility for Americans. The government will eventually gladly do it, but it will be at a cost to our freedoms.
 Cons_Lies  15 Jul 2008 18:14
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Liberals fear to reach behind them and find their @sses with both hands - as well they should. ;-)
 
 Scorpion  05 Sep 2008 00:08
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 You write some pretty stupid cr@p sometimes for someone that is constantly bragging about their intelligence, Scorpion!
by  grokit
 05 Sep 2008 00:18
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I am libertarian so neither republican nor democrat but it is definitively a conservative position. While I completely agree that blind traditionalism is terrible, I do believe that people who came before us did what they did for a reason. The giving up of one's own responsibility, whether ethical or financial, gives the state the right to decide what would be best for you.

For instance, hate crime legislation. Making hate illegal takes away our individual obligation to decry hate and surrenders it to the state. The state slowly becomes more and more our only ethical compass as we continue to give up our own responsibilities and give them up. When the state has control of this, they can then arbitrarily stipulate any notion they so desire to be ethical or unethical, removing our freedom as individuals.

So yes. In conclusion, I would have to say that, more than anything, the denial of responsibility is what the liberal masses promulgate most and it would appear that this would, at least logically, imply that they do deny and fear freedom. At the very least, they value it less than that of safety and I consider this a very poor priority base.
 
 davidsuggs  17 Jul 2008 02:49
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Yes, freedom means responsibility, too. But unfortunately it is widespread across our culture, and not restricted to the "left"....look at the corporate bailouts and corporate welfare. The cronies of Bush have not learned this lesson either.
 
 charlee  16 Jul 2008 04:07
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 I agree with you. There needs to be changes. I think one of the first changes that should be made is to limit the role of Gov't in business of doing business. What say you?
by  Cons_Lies
 16 Jul 2008 14:41
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You said it good enough
 
 abeers  15 Jul 2008 20:03
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 Your ignorance is demonstrated by your poor usage of words.
by  K9
 15 Jul 2008 20:17
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Too often 'freedom' is presented as if the freedom of the rich.
 
 Oswy  17 Jul 2008 13:53
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Right. I fear freedom. Because Bush is such an advocate for freedom, what with his Patriot act and all. True freedom will never be attained in any type of government, except for maybe anarchy. Liberals fight for equality, which is the closest thing to freedom that I can think of in this day and age. Conservatives on the other hand are completely content being homophobic, racist, and sexist (not to generalize, but I have yet to meet a racist liberal). If anything, I would think that conservatives are close-minded, traditional and most are just plain stupid with their hummers and big guns.
 
 romaaaa  16 Jul 2008 03:41
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 Bush is a huge advocate for freedom. I like how you want to discuss the Patriot Act as if you were somehow adversely affected by it. You weren't. And I would put money on the fact that you don't know anyone who was. You haven't lost any freedoms.
"Liberals fight for equality..." Yes they do. That all things are, or should be equal, is a farce. The belief that everything should be fair is childish. Things are not fair, they never will be fair, they never should be fair. The human experience dictates that growth comes from pain. Overcoming unfairness (an American value) is about WORK, not about creating delusional system of "fairness".

"Conservatives on the other hand are completely content being homophobic, racist, and sexist"
Nope. Conservatives by and large don't care about someone's sexual preferences. It is the pushing of the gay agenda, that creates a reaction. In a liberal mind it is somehow "fair" to set yourself apart from mainstream society and expect special treatment for it. Take a look at the message of the gay movement. We're different, we want to be treated special, and in the end if we don't get our special treatment along with being treated the same as everyone else, we're gonna be mad! Well, be mad then. You don't get to throw temper tantrums because you don't like things and expect change to happen just because you're mad. That lesson should have been learned at around 4 years old. The same goes for minorities and women.
It's not homophobic, racist, or sexist. It's common sense. What you liberals may want to start paying attention to is that more and more gays, minorities, and women are coming over to the dark side. In the end, grown-ups prefer reason to reaction.
by  Cons_Lies
 16 Jul 2008 14:28
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Conservatives fear the truth.
 
 mastermov  16 Jul 2008 02:10
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 Like what? Global warming? WMD's in Iraq? Tell me the truth. Lets see if it really is scary!
by  Cons_Lies
 16 Jul 2008 14:30
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Sorry, far too blanket and bold of a statement to be true.

First, liberals are behind every historic revolution. It wasn't conservatives who stood up to the British and fought a bloody war for independence - in fact the conservatives were the Tories who wanted the liberals to shut up and follow the orders of the king.

Second, "True Freedom is only attainable through personal responsibility"? Try telling that to a bear in the woods, or an untamed tribe of people down in the Amazon. They're not free unless they're personally responsible? Wrong. Freedom is freedom. It may be better to coordinate if people take responsibility, but it doesn't fail to exist in an absence of responsibility.

Third, it's a total myth that liberals are big government and conservatives are small. The greatest expansion of governmental powers, spending, military, and meddling with individual rights came during the control of conservative leaders.
 
 Grenache  15 Jul 2008 20:30
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 "First, liberals are behind every historic revolution." A very true and worthwhile point! Makes you wonder how today's "liberal" is comparable in anyway other than in name.

"Second, "True Freedom is only attainable through personal responsibility"? Try telling that to a bear in the woods, or an untamed tribe of people down in the Amazon." You forgot to think that through, didn't you? If it is not the bear, who/what is taking responsibility for the life the bear lives? Same with the tribe. While the tribe is likely a functioning commune, as a whole they do take responsibility. They don't have the expectation that anyone will come along and feed or clothe them in the event they choose not to hunt and gather. They are free because of it.
Third, it's a total myth that liberals are big government and conservatives are small." No, actually it is not. Conservatives want to minimize the role of gov't in our lives, whereas liberals want gov't to take more control.
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by  Cons_Lies
 16 Jul 2008 14:39
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"Liberals" have opposed slavery, racism, gay hating, violence against women, violence against immigrants, etc. That your are in favour of such things tells us that your skin is as white as the hood you wear over it.

"Conservatives" are closet cases, like Talibama AG Troy King who got caught in bed with a man, or pedos like Florida representative Republican Mark Foley.

Linked below are typical "conservatives", like yourself:

Www.hehasnomandate.org/republican_sex_crimes.html

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x814
 
 K9  15 Jul 2008 20:23
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Liberals are people who feel compassion for those less fortunate than themselves. Conservatives are people who do not. Though they flaunt their christianity, they feel no real charitable impulse. They want to keep what they have, and to hell with everyone else.

Of course, since this pure selfishness is a little too odious to be talked about bluntly in public, they attempt to rationalise their selfishness. In various ways, they proclaim that selfishness is actually good; that those who suffer do so through their own fault; and that they are actually doing them a favour by scorning to help them.

Conservatives like to talk about how they're against big government. But it's a lie. They're not. Dubya the Clown has presided over the biggest expansion of government power in modern American history, destroying the country's finances with absurdly high deficits, and trashing the traditional liberties of the citizen in the name of fighting off some imaginary threat. Conservatives love big gubmint, as long as it wears a uniform and carries a gun.
 
 Hidell  15 Jul 2008 20:15
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 "Liberals are people who feel compassion for those less fortunate than themselves." Purely delusional. Liberals fear being in a less fortunate position themselves and the helping of others is about protecting themselves OR their actions are steeped in an arrogant mindset that believes the "worse off" lack the ability and intellect to get themselves into a better position.
Conservatives have faith in people and their abilities. It really comes down to basic faith.
"Conservatives like to talk about how they're against big government." This is a factual statement. But not only do we talk about it, we back it up. When Bush and the Republicans made the mistake of overspending, conservatives across the US refused to go to the polls and give them the opportunity to do it again. Since 2006, under a liberal congress, spending has not decreased.

At the end of the day, liberal "compassion" is fear/arrogance based. "Help" from liberals requires sacrificing freedom, and that is the opposite of help. You can't name one social program in America that has actually had any long-term positive affects on the people. Gov't involvement is social issues always leaves those needing "help" more dependent than when the "help" was started.
by  Cons_Lies
 16 Jul 2008 14:13
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