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More than likely he was. I remember an episode of Family Guy and all he does is pretend to switch
fingers. That's probably what he did, or was just an overly glorified man. |
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I am an atheist so if he did exist he was a magician or people are liars, he was not really magical
or special, he was another person who had common sense and just happened to agree with the teaching
of gods, oh and you can't conceive and be a virgin so take that "virgin" mary!!!! |
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If Jesus was a magician, then he was obviously the greatest magician that ever lived.
Some of the things he did were not miracles and I can prove that, because I do some of them
myself.
He was also a hypnotist.....I recognize his techniques, because I use the same ones.
He did what no doctors can do with all their medicine, and so do I.
But can any magician raise the dead after 3 days, can any magician cure leprosy or make an insane
person sane again, I think not.
Like always, Hizashi has a good argument on the other side, we can't prove that the things told
about Jesus were metaphors or not..BUT
You still have to wonder why 12 people would suffer tremendous tortures and death and not
one would say their faith in Jesus was in any way a lie and save their own neck , and these deaths
can be proven. |
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I like this as a rhetorical debate, but I really don't know as I wasn't there. |
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I don't know. I suppose by definition anyone who performs a "miracle" is performing "magic" (doing
the impossible) so by definition yes he was. What I don't think though is he was doing it for
entertainment purposes (he wasn't drawing rabbits out of hats, sawing ladies in half, etc.) so that
does give a shade of difference from contemporary "magicians". |
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Put cris angel back then and he would be god. They were stupid and more gullible back then. |
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You think people can be healed of leprosy today by just taking a bath a few times? You think we can
heal blind people nowadays by just putting some clay on their eyes? You think we can simply utter a
few words and make a storm stop instantly? You think we can just tell someone to be healed and they
will suddenly stop convulsing and be able to walk for the first time? You think we can raise
someone from the dead by just saying "come forth," even though they've been dead for four days? |
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If he was a good enough Magician to start a whole religion then I would think he would have been
famous enough to generate some kind of historical documentation among his contemporaries.
Particularly since magicians were quite popular among the ruling classes of that period. I find it
more likely that he is a mythological character who was created more from the social pressures of
the time than the example or history of one particular person. |
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You claim that Jesus, the Jesus of Christianity, was a magician and that this personal "revelation"
is self-explanatory and then demand of the audience the burden of proof when you are the one making
unsubstantiated statements and claims. In order to support your claim, the burden of proof does not
fall on the audience, but more correctly on you. And to mention that "some" say He, Jesus, was a
magician offers very little to go on. Who are the "some" and what exactly do they claim? |
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I don't see people going to church for paul danials |
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I doubt Jesus of Nazareth was a magician in any way, sense, or fashion. This is mainly due to the
fact that in order to make the claim that he was a magician, one would first have to verify that the
“miracles” he accomplished were a reality and not simply allegorically based stories, which I
seriously doubt can be done nearly 2,000 years later. Whether you assume the passages that speak of
his "miracles" to be literal or metaphorical is completely based on perspective and interpretation,
not objectivity. I personally view these “miracles” of Jesus to be symbolic. But can I prove
they are completely symbolic and not literal in any way? No, I can’t. Because my reason for
believing they are symbolic is nothing but the opinion I have when reading those passages. The same
thing can be said for any interpretation of the Bible. I think people confuse subjective
interpretation with the objectively evidential all too often.
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LOL!!!! I can't say I agree. |
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Magician?
What a narrow minded and blinkered view, you have the the world you and I live in. You might not
believe in Christ and his teachings, but magicians are not widely known for what they ever said, let
alone be translated into all languages..... Oh and look at the date, 30 08 2008AD(a magician)
Take some praise, The most ridiculous thing I have ever...H..o..i..D |
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There's no reason to think Jesus, at least the Jesus of the Bible, ever existed in the first place,
a much more logical answer is that if he ever lived, Jesus was an itinerant preacher who had the
mantle of godhood draped over him posthumously. Since none of the miracles actually happened, and
the vast majority are just mythic retellings of other culture's savior myths, whether or not Jesus
could do sleight-of-hand is really irrelevant. |
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