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Why don't people believe in Jesus Christ as the son of god he is real and the only way to heaven john ch14 v6

spiritman

28 Jun 2008 00:09

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Definitely real. Definitely the Son of God.

A great book on this subject is Lee Strobel's "the Case for Christ."

created

16 Sep 2008 03:35

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I'm a Catholic so I totally believe in Jesus.

PizzaPie

21 Aug 2008 21:15

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I would say the biggest reason people who know about Jesus and don't believe in Jesus as saviour (taking into account the topic description), is the the way supposed followers of Jesus have conducted themselves.

Then you have the large number of people who are raised in religions which do not revolve around Christianity.

Then you have the people who don't need a saviour. They (by their definition) are not linked to eternity. This universe is their only reality.

justsumguy

04 Aug 2008 04:20

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and one comment about Jesus being the only way to heaven...

Jesus being the only way to heaven could still be all inclusive. It could be said that if everyone goes to heaven, they go because of what Jesus did. This could include Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, Mormons, Agnostics, Catholics (that may be a stretch...just kidding), people who believe aliens are the answer and everyone else.

Jesus forgave the people who were killing him, without them asking for his forgiveness. Who are we to single out the unforgiven?

The only way I know that a person (and I don't know of any other way that makes this claim) can know they are forgiven is through Jesus. It is important to note that this is not disagreeing with any other religion because none make this claim.

But just because a person doesn't know they are forgiven doesn't mean they're not. They simply don't know it. I would be very careful in accusing the forgiven. If there's one thing I'm sure of in the Bible...it's Jesus having a REAL problem with accusers.

justsumguy

05 Aug 2008 03:48

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and one comment about Jesus being the only way to heaven...

Jesus being the only way to heaven could still be all inclusive. It could be said that if everyone goes to heaven, they go because of what Jesus did. This could include Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, Mormons, Agnostics, Catholics (that may be a stretch...just kidding), people who believe aliens are the answer and everyone else.

Jesus forgave the people who were killing him, without them asking for his forgiveness. Who are we to single out the unforgiven?

The only way I know that a person (and I don't know of any other way that makes this claim) can know they are forgiven is through Jesus. It is important to note that this is not disagreeing with any other religion because none make this claim.

But just because a person doesn't know they are forgiven doesn't mean they're not. They simply don't know it. I would be very careful in accusing the forgiven. If there's one thing I'm sure of in the Bible...it's Jesus having a REAL problem with accusers.

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and one comment about Jesus being the only way to heaven...

Jesus forgave the people who were killing him, without them asking for his forgiveness. Who are we to single out the unforgiven?

For sure! Who ever doesn't think so then your a fago! How would we be here?

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hb_26

29 Jul 2008 17:07

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I'm slightly confused...

XieXie

03 Aug 2008 23:10

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We live in 2008 A.D. Everything before that is B.C.
Jesus is real all right, and you must have faith to believe, that a girl had immaculate conception and gave birth to him. If you don't have faith you are missing out on something in my 'umhble opinion.

keepmindok

17 Jul 2008 17:24

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The bible states that the only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ. It ALSO says ALL scripture is inspired by GOD! Jesus is most differently real. He is the still small voice that speaks to you aka your conscious; pay close attention He may be trying to tell you something!

FROG4GOD

30 Jun 2008 04:21

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I am a believer of God I do not claim a religon, to me it's another way to stero type, but I do believe in Jesus as the son of God, that he was crusified, buried, and rose on the third day. I have never pushed my belifs on anyone, I have never denied my belifs nor do I keep from from witnessing or speaking of Him just because some people don't like it. You have a choice to what you do or do not believe, this is mine, but if someone is trying to knock Him, I will defend Him to the fullest!

FROG4GOD

30 Jun 2008 04:32

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Jesus is real but i don't believe he is the son of god. I believe he is a messenger of god, but he is real there are prove.

nothing

28 Jun 2008 09:40

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Circular logic. You can't state that his being real is proof of his existence. You need proof of his existence to state he is real, not vica versa.

Quincel

28 Jun 2008 09:47

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To Cephus i just don't believe in Jesus for no reason he talks to me that's why i do you think he's just someone in the sky that waits for you to die and go there but if you seek him he will reveal himself to you while your on earth

spiritman

28 Jun 2008 04:13

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So you're basically admitting to everyone that you're insane. Great, your confession noted.

Cephus

09 Aug 2008 21:04

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The following people are ones who have written about him, not just mentioned his name (there are hundreds of them) they all lived within a century of his birth.

Josephus
Philo-Judæus
Seneca
Pliny Elder
Arrian
Petronius
Dion Pruseus
Paterculus
Suetonius
Juvenal
Martial
Persius
Plutarch
Pliny Younger
Tacitus
Justus of Tiberius
Apollonius
Quintilian
Lucanus
Epictetus
Hermogones Silius Italicus
Statius
Ptolemy
Appian
Phlegon
Phædrus
Valerius Maximus
Lucian
Pausanias
Florus Lucius
Quintius Curtius
Aulus Gellius
Dio Chrysostom
Columella
Valerius Flaccus
Damis
Favorinus
Lysias
Pomponius Mela
Appion of Alexandria
Theon of Smyrna

XieXie

28 Jun 2008 03:36

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Roman records do not record these works because they were private books, not Roman records.

XieXie

03 Aug 2008 23:12

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Wow congratulations you are a closed minded twit. The bible is only a book. From your statement i could also prove that dragons fairies and magic is real because it says that in a hairy potter book.

Smito

04 Aug 2008 23:20

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"Wow congratulations you are a closed minded twit," says the one so close minded as to reject the greatest intellectual journey that could ever be embarked upon, simply because it is acceptably intolerant as himself.

davidsuggs

04 Aug 2008 23:25

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Given the lack of contemporary (please let’s not argue over this part again) confirmation and how the story of Jesus conforms quite well to the mythological template I find myself more drawn to theory that he was partially invented and partially an amalgam of other people of the time. The Jews of the time suffered under terrible religious and secular hierarchies and needed the idea of someone who could give them the tools to free themselves from both. As far as heaven goes I see it this way. Either heaven doesn’t exist in which case the point is moot, or it exists but the route there is more about trying to be the best person you can be rather than whose divine butt you kiss and in what way in which case I’ll either make it or not on the merits of my own actions, or it’s the traditional heaven in which case I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t want to go.

finsch

04 Aug 2008 00:43

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I'm not into the "proving" Jesus, Bible and God on the intellectual level. I read most of your posts because I think they're usually worthwhile. So I'm just commenting on your post...no biggie here.

But at the time...while some Jews accepted Jesus as the Messiah, the Jews as a religion and society rejected him.

So, rejected and demanded to be put to death by the heads of the Jewish religion, hard to imagine how their accounts of Jesus would have much to do with his place in history. I think the odds would suggest they would do everything in their power to make the whole thing disappear.

So we're pretty much left to his followers, (don't forget the story says Peter denied he knew Jesus three times) who had to be afraid they would be put to death if they were known, somehow spreading the word out from the Jewish nation into the heart of the Roman Empire.

The fact that Constantine made Christianty the official religion of the Roman Empire 300 years after the death of Jesus has to be one of the most remarkable things ever to happen on this planet.

I believe evidence suggests that this thing called christianity had in the span of 300 years gone from a small group of Jews in hiding to a corrupt, organized, mixed with Roman religion. Roman worship at that time was a mixture of just about every religious form they had run across during their "adventures".

Anyway, could have been folklore. If it was, it was the most powerful that ever was.

justsumguy

04 Aug 2008 04:02

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I'm not into the "proving" Jesus, Bible and God  on the intellectual level. I read most of your posts because I think they're usually worthwhile. So I'm just commenting on your post...no biggie here.

But at the time...while some Jews accepted Jesus as the Messiah, the Jews as a religion and society rejected him.

So, rejected and demanded to be put to death by the heads of the Jewish religion, hard to imagine how their accounts of Jesus would have much to do with his place in history. I think the odds would suggest they would do everything in their power to make the whole thing disappear.

So we're pretty much left to his followers, (don't forget the story says Peter denied he knew Jesus three times) who had to be afraid they would be put to death if they were known, somehow spreading the word out from the Jewish nation into the heart of the Roman Empire.

The fact that Constantine made Christianty the official religion of the Roman Empire 300 years after the death of Jesus has to be one of the most remarkable things ever to happen on this planet.

I believe evidence suggests that this thing called christianity had in the span of 300 years gone from a small group of Jews in hiding to a corrupt, organized, mixed with Roman religion. Roman worship at that time was a mixture of just about every religious form they had run across during their "adventures".

Anyway, could have been folklore. If it was, it was the most powerful that ever was.

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I'm not into the "proving" Jesus, Bible and God  on the intellectual level. I read most of your posts because I think they're usually worthwhile. So I'm just commenting on your post...no biggie here.

But at the time...while some Jews accepted Jesus as the Messiah, the Jews as a religion and society rejected him.

The fact that Constantine made Christianty the official religion of the Roman Empire 300 years after the death of Jesus has to be one of the most remarkable things ever to happen on this planet.

Anyway, could have been folklore. If it was, it was the most powerful that ever was.

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When I was speaking of the religious hierarchy I was speaking of the Jewish church at the time. Leadership was passed down among families who had secular and religious power over the Jews in what amounted to rule by divine right. Meanwhile the average Jew was extremely poor paying taxes to both the Romans as well as their own rulers. That all adds up to a lot of cultural pressure and from such situations does folklore spring. My feeling is that the existing evidence is inconclusive and open to interpretation; however most historians agree that the historical Jesus probably existed. 
I have to admit my interpretation might be influenced by my lifelong interest in religion and mythology. I have always been amazed at human culture’s ability to create the mythology they need at the time. Even over just a few generations very intricate and developed mythologies can spring to life. I certainly feel that even assuming Jesus did exist there is a lot of folklore like elements that attached to his story that may or may not have much to do with the reality of his life. But once again this is just my reading of a controversial subject. 
Recently I’ve taken to calling myself an Apathiest, because I don’t really care who is right and wrong religiously speaking. Rather I find myself interested in the nature of the human reaction to and involvement with religion and mythology. Even personally I find myself much less interested in the nature of divinity than the nature of my path and the structure of my own moral and philosophical glass house. I must tell you it’s a treat for me to talk to people such as yourself and Hizshi that are clear on their own beliefs yet open to broad ranging discussion.

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I share your amazement in how these things evolve.

I was raised in a family who lived amongst some of the most primitive people on Earth. Many lived in caves. Our lives were spent helping these people (food, medicine etc.) and teaching them the Bible. The Bible part was at it's simplest. Had little to do with religion.

I attended seminary and encountered things which I could not agree with in the religion which I was raised. I seriously questioned the Bible.

I withdrew myself from my religion. After doing so, I decided to read the Bible to find the truth (not the Bible being true) about the religions based on the Bible. At that time, I didn't care if the Bible was true or not.

Upon reading it a few times, simply trying to figure out how these religions had come up with such obviously flawed teachings, I was amazed at the story that was presented as a whole.

It may all be an "accident". The different writers. The translations. What has been added, what has been left out.

But the story from cover to cover, sans religion has blown me away. It is the only message I know of, given all religions and spirit talk, that offers up a conclusive knowing.

Many things offer up belief. Many religions based on the Bible offer up belief and something erroneously called faith. The word faith in the Bible is different than belief.

If I am going to believe in something beyond this universe, I'm going to believe in the best something anyone could possibly come up with. Somebody comes up with something better, I'm dropping mine in an instant.

Anyway, just telling you for interest sake. My beliefs are not based on what I was supposed to believe and when religious influence is stripped away, the Bible is remarkable. Just in it's simple story.

Suppose that god is real, then we are all sons of god, same as Christ,it means we are all Christ.

corted

01 Jul 2008 13:32

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We are sons and daughters of what will be Christ's perfect bride, which is the church. Corporately we are the bride of Christ and individually the sons and daughters.

davidsuggs

04 Aug 2008 23:28

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People are born into a religion, told it's the only one, scared to not leave it. I have yet to meet anyone who picked up a copy of all the major world religions text, read them all, and then tried to make an intelligent decision about which one was tops. So there really is no way for you to say yours is right. You can quote the Bible but others will quote their Koran or whatever, that doesn't prove anything.

If God is angry, petty and vindictive then he's a bully and there's no point to trying to appease him when you might get whacked anyway. If God is kind, loving, peaceful, then all he cares about is that we're good people who do good things. It doesn't matter which religion you were born into. Some kid up in the Himalaya's who may never hear of Christianity is not going to be sent to Hell just because he didn't know Jesus. Likewise someone "Christian" who spends a lifetime judging and shoving others to conform to his own beliefs probably is not going to go to Heaven.

Grenache

29 Jun 2008 13:53

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Cheers for the laugh.

Snipex

28 Jun 2008 13:40

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Jesus is just a fairytale, the entire span of your religion is nothing more then a fairytale, granted a fairytale with a few moral lessons, but nothing more then that.

Truth

28 Jun 2008 06:53

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not.

nothing

28 Jun 2008 09:41

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