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It's Impossible To Disprove The Existence Of Something.
KK lets all use our "imagination" for just a second. Alright lets assume that god "doesn't" *gasp* exist. Now if he doesn't exist can i prove he exists? Is there any evidence of his being? Now since we assumed he doesn't exist there cannot be evidence of his existence right? Ok then if there's no evidence of his existence how the bloody heck can there be ANY evidence of his inexistance. Inexistance is the lacking of something. How can i have evidence of the lacking of something unless i have cameras on every single inch of ground everywhere.
 Smito  30 Aug 2008 14:07
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Yep, Agreed.
 
 sam_evo  03 Jan 2010 04:12
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Research Methods 1001, dude. Theories are neither proved nor disproved as "true" or "false" -- they are either useful for predicting events or not useful and therefore discarded.

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The apparent point of your argument was that many concepts and beliefs cannot be tested using scientific methods. I agreed. For example, we cannot determine whether today's society would be better if Lincoln had not been assassinated. The assertion cannot be tested (unless we invent time travel, and you how all those stories wind up in a muddle). The key to science is the ability to make testable predictions that are either right or wrong.

To test whether God exists, we would have to assume that he interacts with our world, and that his influence produce noticeable effects. Imagine the debate on what manifestations he creates. We need to assume his actions are fairly consistent, and to hypothesize what circumstances would determine his actions. We then predict that if event A is followed by B more often than expected by chance, there is support for our hypothesis. Then we need to rule out confounding variables, manipulate events, etc., So much more.,,

And even then we could not say we had proved or disproved our hypothesized cause of events, namely God.


 
 Lynn  13 Dec 2008 13:02
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 This was a debateon existance of things how does prediction come into this?
by  Smito
 15 Dec 2008 19:27
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I agree
 
 lifesucks  31 Aug 2008 06:10
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Usually that's the case.
 
 Allie87  30 Aug 2008 19:29
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 name another case then please
by  Smito
 31 Aug 2008 03:19
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Your statement is correct, it is impossible to disprove the existence of something.

However your logic is flawed, why would you have to start with the assumption that God doesn't exist? You only had to say that it is impossible to disprove god because there is no evidence of is existence.

Once again it brings us back to the fact that arguments about god have no relation to proof because they are based on faith and principle which can not be empirically proven.

Also, do you assume that something does not exist if science can not "prove" it's existence?
 
 Kirsty08  30 Aug 2008 15:34
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 "why would you have to start with the assumption that God doesn't exist?"

Because there are people who do believe that he does exist and it would be ignoring them to out right state he doesnt. Also god does exist in some mental ways. The person who convinces themselves to do good things in "gods" name is a way that people make their own god.

" Once again it brings us back to the fact that arguments about god have no relation to proof because they are based on faith and principle which can not be empirically proven" Then please explain to me why is the most common christian response in a religious debate "you cant prove he doesn't exist"? You assume that i was going off of my own inventions. I was going off on what christians have told me. Also you assume that this "faith" is a concrete thing or idea. If the idea of god never existed would your "faith" still be there? Also faith is basically a type of trust correct? you trust that god exists and that he will bring you to heaven one day? Well why is it then that in our society that trust is so often misplaced?
You trust that that insurance company will pay for your broken car. But while your trusting them what are they doing? They are trying to figure out ways to not pay. Are you a smoker. Zoom your rate just shot up. Did you not tell the insuracne company that you were a smoker? Boom their not paying for your car.
How about all the adults taking advantage of children? By offering the child candy are they not attempting to build trust between themselves and the child? Is god, adult, not offering you, child, heaven, candy, to gain your trust and to get you.

"Also, do you assume that something does not exist if science can not "prove" it's existence?" actually yes. If its completely impossible to find this creature and there's no evidence of its existence i assume that it doesn't. Do you assume that something exists even if there is no evidence anywhere in the world of its existence.
by  Smito
 30 Aug 2008 16:20
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Not entirely.
 
 Cemetary  02 Dec 2009 14:25
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Well it might be possible if there was a concrete definition to work from.
 
 finsch  15 Dec 2008 20:01
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 Definition of?
If you mean of existence then that would have to be a very well tailored definition to the opposite of what i said.
If you mean of said something then it wouldn't matter because things are fully proven by definitions they are proven by evidence.
by  Smito
 26 Jan 2009 05:47
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What Cephus said.
 
 Stranger  08 Oct 2008 00:54
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Well you do need evidence to prove that he exists..which is the Bible, but then again, it's just a story, that can be fiction or non-fiction. It really depends if you want to believe...but then again the saying is innocent until proven guilty, so you do need evidence before you can make it true.
 
 mm2real  08 Oct 2008 00:40
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 wrong side?
by  Smito
 15 Dec 2008 19:28
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I think common sense more than anything will tell you what exist and what doesn't, unfortunately that doesn't happen for everyone because not everyone has common sense. Common sense tells you that flying elephants do not exist, or that a Pegasus does not exist. Does big foot exist, maybe, we won't know for sure until a carcass is brought in. If we don't have undeniable evidence for its existence than to those with common sense it continues to be non-existent. This includes ghost, big-foot, loch-ness, Chupacabra and yes even god.
 
 Andromeda  30 Aug 2008 20:44
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 Yes but logic never seemed to stop the idiots of the world from ruining it now did it. Thousands of dollars spent and resources spent on looking for these imaginary creatures is reality. Everything you said is ideality.
by  Smito
 31 Aug 2008 03:38
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I would say that it's even harder to "disprove that something doesn't exist".
 
 grokit  30 Aug 2008 19:42
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 well assuming that you used a double negative i'm going to guess your phrase really ment "prove that something does exist" and to tell you the truth that's not that hard unless you are trying to prove something without proof.
by  Smito
 31 Aug 2008 03:39
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Depends on what you're talking about. It is impossible to prove the nonexistence of something universal, I cannot prove that no unicorns exist anywhere in the universe because I have no way to verify my claim. I could, however, prove that there are no unicorns in the room I'm sitting in right now.
 
 Cephus  30 Aug 2008 18:35
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 as i said though "How can i have evidence of the lacking of something unless i have cameras on every single inch of ground everywhere." on such a small scale as you stated its much easier to prove that it doesn't exist around you. That is unless your standing in the middle of the room at which you couldn't prove without some outside help that the unicorn wasn't constantly behind you.
by  Smito
 31 Aug 2008 03:42
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