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It seems you had no underlying reason, so I"m sorry for assuming it.
Do you understand why I thought you or anyone defending homosexuality would not answer?
The truth can be offensive.
My purpose is not to offend. It is to show that certain things are wrong. If I have to be politically correct, then I won't ever say anything is wrong because it will offend someone. That...would be wrong. You can go ahead and say my version of Christianity is wrong. It can offend, but you still mean it (and would think it, whether you say it or not) and you should have the right to compare it to a sect or whatever, as long as you are making a point in a serious argument. Or are you against that free speech, especially in a place made for attacking and defending beliefs?

We can't remember what sexuality we had as babies. How can we know that? Anatomy? No. That points to heterosexuality. If there is something I'm too "narrow-minded" to see that proves homosexual people are born that way, then what is it?

The only thing I assumed, I think, is what your reason was. Not that I knew your experience, by which I think you mean life experiences. This is just to clarify.
Did I expect you to care what I think? No.

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But it is not the truth; you have perverted the truth to hyperbolic speech.  What you assert as a truism is in error.  You assert opinion, but not truth.

There are some things that are clearly wrong by Christ.  Treating each other with kindness and love is a Christ value.  Hurting another person is not a Christ value.  I am not aware of Christ speaking against Homosexuality, although the bible does.  There is a difference, in what Paul said or what is written in the Old Testament and what Christ said, at least there is for me.

There are reasons for everything, and there were reasons for kosher laws to be followed, but now we do not.  There were reasons for treating women as cattle, but now we don't.  There were reasons for stoning an adulteress, and now we don't.  In fact i would say that it is wrong to stone an adulteress to death, wouldn't you?  It is wrong to offend someone as you offend me, and yet you do.

Do i care what you think?  I don't even know you.  I accept you for who you are, and am powerless to change that.  Are you narrow minded?  I think that you are confined by your dogma.  You are free to believe what you want, and say what you want.  I am free do disagree with it, and point out the inherent hatred that is contained within.

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I don't hate you. My lashing out is at what you hold on to, which is not you. You are to be loved no matter what, just as any other person should be, according to the Bible, as you know. 
To see people headed for disaster and not tell them that they are is closer to hatred than telling them so. To tell them is to show concern. My motives? I care about the truth and I want you to live right and not against "God." I am powerless to change you, as you said of me.

The Old "Testament"/New "Testament" thing is a problem for me. I am still without answers for some things. What I do know is that Yahshua met all of the requirements of the Torah (the ceremonial things as well as the other things that are not ceremonial- like helping someone and faithfulness) so that we don't have to (since we couldn't completely keep the Torah) and by our faith in the perfect one, his requirements that have been met apply to us so that we meet those requirements and can be with him forever. What we still are to do is not the shadow of things to come (shadows include circumcision, the Passover, etc.), but the things that all of his people are to do, no matter at which time in history: summarized in the instruction/command to love. If I love him, I won't go against his design and I won't have a sexual relationship outside of his plan. His plan for families has not changed.
I don't think homosexuality was a big problem among Jews during the first Century or so- when he was around for his death. Maybe that's why he didn't speak of it. He didn't speak of other things that are wrong, but they still are.

Stoning an adulteress? Am I for it? We all deserve to be punished and so adulterers and adulteresses deserve it too. We should not do so anymore because certain requirements of the Torah (such as those of keeping a community relatively "clean") are not for us, but for the Jews before the Messiah who would be ceremonially clean and meet all the requirements (him, not them, of course). He was required to stone her, but he forgave instead. Since he is/was "God," he had the power to forgive, and he did.

My dogma confining me? Well...I can think about things that my dogma is against and consider different points of view but I still will likely not change. It's hard to change.

Also, the "treating women like cattle" thing I don't agree with. How were they? That brings me to a problem I should mention: women silent in a congregation. The Bible says it but who does it? I don't know. That is unclear for me.

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The only thing that you said that was a truism was "It's hard to change", the rest is not a truism.  That does not mean you embrace lies like atheists would assert, but you do embrace dogma.

I won't go into the minutia of the bible, there isn't time or space.  I have some strong opinions on it, and i am quite familiar with the bible.

What is wrong is sometimes subjective.  For those who embrace dogma it is often subjective.  what is wrong for a Muslim is different than what is wrong for a Christian or a Jew.  To them they are just as wrong as what you consider wrong.  To me there are some nonsensical elements to what is being considered wrong by your dogma.  For me what is wrong is what is evil.  Evil dwells in the opposite of virtue.  The seven deadly sins are typically the source of wrong and evil.  Even lies are not by themselves evil, or wrong, but rather the instrument of evil and wrong(ness).  There is nothing in homosexuality that violates the inverse of virtue.  There is no violation in the seven deadly sins with homosexuality.  Your objections lie in the writings of a book.  Not even in the words of your (and my) savior, but others.

You fear much in leaving the confines of your teachings.  I very well understand that change is hard.  I understand that better than most.

Consider the difference between religion and spirituality, and the merits and draw backs of each.  Look at it hard and with as much honesty as you are capable.

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I do understand why you won't answer. It's because I'm offensive.

Why am I different than a pig? Several reasons, many of them obvious. One of them is that I am, like you and Mark and the reader (unless they taught Chimps to read and one of them is reading this) made in the image of "God."

A need to corner you? That's how people try to win in an argument. It's like chess. 
However, if I "win," it's if you change, not if you stop talking here. If you "win," it would be if I was convinced that I was wrong, though if I said "I'm wrong" all sides lose...
Does the truth scare me? What "truth"?

What does it take for one to be a child of "God" to you? Being made in his image or being like him and belonging to his family as a son or daughter? The latter is what makes one his child.

Design is obvious. But people have to say obvious things to those who disagree (That is why descriptions in law are so painstakingly obvious, if you know what I mean).

My interpretation of design is convenient?
Well, then, yours is conveniently excluding people's other wrong sexualities while accepting your own.

God is exclusive. Do you think most people are doomed to eternity without him? Do you think few people know him? If you think otherwise, you'd have to reject the words of "Jesus."
I should add that he is also inclusive for accepting anyone who'll repent.

I said you'd have to tell me what makes a perversion wicked for me to tell you why being "gay" is wicked.

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You are scattering the discussion and it is loosing focus.

Let's start with the truth.  There are a lot of contradictions in the bible no?  Where do you find the truth?  Christ never said to hate homosexuality, and yet you do.  Christ said to love your neighbor and even your enemy.  Christ never said homosexuals were going to hell.  Christ said that God was love.  Christ never spent so much time telling so many people that they were going to burn in hell, he just never did.

Alejandro, the truth is that there are large parts of Christianity that were convenient so that there would be control of the believers and greater ease of conversion.  Believe what Christ says because he is the one that you should worship.  Becareful worshiping your bible and those who use it.  Christ is your savior not those who preach and not the bible.  This is honesty.

More honesty:  I am a person, just like you.  I am a good man, and i try to help as many people as i can.  I try to live by the spiritual principles that Christ gave us, as best i can.  I value life and all the gifts that God has given me.  Yet you would say that God hates me, and that would be a lie.  Lies are pathways to evil, always.  They are not evil in and by themselves, but evil is facilitated by lies.

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Yes, there are a bunch of apparent contradictions in the Bible. 
He condemned hypocritical Jews alone. To the others he went as a doctor to the sick.
And "Love" doesn't mean to appease those who are wrong and tolerate sin, though. 
As I said before, I don't think that homosexuality was a big problem during the Roman domination of Israel, when Yahshua was about to die. Maybe that's why he didn't speak on it (and that it was recorded in the Bible).
Again, there were other things he did not speak against (like bestiality), yet we know he was and is against it.
I don't worship the Bible or those who use it.

You say you are a good man. I know what you mean but no one is good, according to the Bible. Didn't "Jesus" say once to a disciple of  his not to call him good? Surely he was, but there's more to it and, yet again, I have a lot to learn.

One of the contradictions in the Bible is that he says he hates people in several parts of the Bible and yet he loves all. I would not say he hates you. I've already said he loves you.

I think that lies are both evil and a pathway to evil.

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He condemned hypocritical Jews.  He condemned hypocrisy.  Because hypocrisy is worse than just lying, it is acting or speaking contrary to what you believe or are.  If i were to lie and say i am not gay that would be hypocrisy.  I know you don't think that i am truly gay, or that it was some sort of a choice that i made somewhere along the way, but this simply is not true.  if it were a choice i would not have tried to kill myself by drinking drano.  One does not make choices to result in that sort of occurance, it is the result of honesty.  He did not speak against homosexuality because he taught love.  No not appeasement but love.  I do not ask you to tolerate sin, i ask you to look at it as being part of God's plan.  All is as it should be at this very moment.

The contradictions in the bible only come from looking beyond the words of Christ.  There is no contradiction when you dwell in his teachings.  The old testament may have a few good lessons in there, but the truth of the bible is in Christ's words.  Stay in the words of Christ and you will understand truth better.

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