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Good morals - yes
Belief in god - shouldn't even enter into the equation
You shouldn't confuse religion with morality. Anyone can be morally good - it comes a lot from their
upbringing, not the god (or lack of) that they chose to worship.
Unfortunately it seems impossible for a candidate for the American presidency to admit he doesn't
believe in God - something that seems a bit alien to most of us in the UK. A politician should be
able to say 'I don't believe in God' and people go 'so what? What are your POLITICAL beliefs?!' |
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Good morals: Yes
Believes in God: Not necessarily. This can actually be a bad quality if the guy/ girl is a radical
who doesn't believe in separation of church and state or freedom of religion, and who'd go out of
their way to effectively ban all religions/ denominations not their own.
Actually, it'd be nice for once to have a non-Christian president. Even better would be someone from
a non Abrahamic religion. |
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I have to go on this side because i disagree with half of the debate. You have made 2 entirely
independent statements. Yes I think a president/prime minister should have morals. No I don't
think it really matters if they believe in god, unless they are from the "god made me in 1 day"
school. That would be a disaster. |
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Interesting statement, I wonder, is it possible
to sin and not believe in God. Maybe the only people that point out sin and sinners are
true believers, what about atheist, are they
capable of sinning if they don't believe in higher or lower powers? |
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So this is what you consider morality, leaders who believed in a "god":
George Bu**sh**
Tony Blair
Richard Nixon
Adolf Hitler
Benito Mussolini
Emporer Hirohito (who believed he was a "god")
Various catholic popes who ran the Crusades, Inquisition and witch hunts
Now for some leaders who did not or do not believe in a personal "god" or were no more than deists
(and certainly not Christians):
Abraham Lincoln
Vaclav Havel
Mikhail Gorbachev
George Washington
John Adams
Written history has a quite clear lesson: Those who keep their religions and ideologies to
themselves make the best and most moral leaders. Those who sought to impose their will on others
were the most murderous tyrants.
And Christians have been amongst the worst, with their garbage claim that "god wants me to do this"
to rationalize anything from slavery to pedophilia.
Edit:
Obviously Murk has never heard of pedophile priests, or Jimmy Swaggart asking a prostitute to bring
her 9 year old daughter in for a threesome, or the "children of god" christian cult which says sex
with children is what "god" wants. |
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I agree... We've never had a test of a president openly against god. Though i do personally think
god is great to "have on your side" i know atheists become atheists confidently, rather than so many
theists who simply go with the motions... I find the passion of either side compelling not just the
title of 'believer'... Not believing in god doesn't define you as immoral |
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Can you name any president who didn't believe God? America is so steeped in primitive superstition
that a candidate who didn't believe in God would have no more chance of being elected there than a
candidate in Saudi Arabia who said he didn't believe in Allah.
Bush is more openly religious than any president in recent memory. Yet he has presided over gross
immorality : Torture gulags set up across the planet and the mass murder of thousands of innocent
people. Not to mention his disastrous policies on many other fronts. Clinton was unfaithful to his
spouse while in office; he lied to his colleagues. Yet he presided the most effective government
America has seen in a long time.
This shows that the quality of government a president provides has nothing to do with his or her
apparent sense of morality or strength of belief in God. |
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I disagree - separation of church and state is vital to ensure that all peoples are treated
equally.
Good morals - yes
Belief in God - Not if his/her personal beliefs are going to heavily bias policy.
Freedom and equality for all. |
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