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"For what is essential is invisible to the eye". So said children's book author St.Exupery.

Scorpion

27 Aug 2008 06:44

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I don't really get what the debate is here? A quote?

Specter87

29 Aug 2008 18:54

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a quote can be debated upon.....;-)
feel free to join in the foray...............................

Scorpion

29 Aug 2008 19:50

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What is essentially perceived and discerned by the heart is so very often invisible to the naked eye. Hypothetically, the eye can take a sympathetic veiw i.e. O' you poor thing! Or a veiw of apathy i.e. That's your problem deal with it. The heart is far more empathic, it has the power of understanding and imaginatively entering into another persons feelings. St. Exupery had this rare insight of the heart... There is a plague of commemoration to Saint Exupery in the Parisian Pantheon...;-)

Maybe one with a tender mind and a warm heart could mend another mind with a cold heart?:

To wake the soul by tender strokes of art,
To raise the genius, and to mend the heart;
To make our kind in conscious virtue bold,
Live o'er each scene, and be what they behold:
For this the Muse first trod the stage...;-)

joe9

27 Aug 2008 09:55

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you are one a billion, joe9.

PERFECT.

you are the Master, maestro BRAVISSIMO :-)

Scorpion

27 Aug 2008 22:22

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So when Kea't's wrote:

"A thing of Beauty is a joy for ever:
Its loveliness increases; it will...

The emotion that stirred inside him to pen such beauty did not come from his heart?...;-) Very droll Balance_92

Have you ever fallen in love Balance_92? I mean truly fallen in love? And, truly experienced the emotions that can fire up in your heart? Now I'm talking about blind love, you can't see it with your eyes, and don't know what it is? You are completely in the dark. Then, you meet somebody. At first there is a tiny spark, that ignites within your heart! Then your heart starts pounding. There is a rush of warmth. You know within an instant of meeting them that they are everything you have ever dreamed of, beautiful, witty, cheeky, charming, wonderful, delectable, full of diversity, the list goes on... Where did this amazing emotion come from: 'Cupid has shot his biggest mightiest arrow straight through your heart!!' Before you know it you are helplessly head over heels in love! And, more to the actual point: 'Ýou didn't even see it coming', I've never heard of Cupid shooting you through the brain. Does that make sense to you? Or does it sound a bit like Paris shooting Achilles in the foot?

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It has long been a theory of mine, that rather than teach our children, it is quite the other way around, and it's they who teach us.

Exupery saw things through they eyes of a child.
"children find it quite tiresome to keep correcting their parents"

keepmindok

27 Aug 2008 08:30

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well-spoken there, keepmindok.

Scorpion

27 Aug 2008 22:23

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My feeling is that it is only through a balance of heart and mind that you may find the truth of the eyes.

finsch

07 Sep 2008 21:16

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Right and wrong are human ideas. To you it may be wrong to kill someone to lower the population. But maybe to me its good to knock off a couple billion to become more sustainable. The problem with your debate is your assuming that all people have the same morals. If that was true then maybe right and wrong would be more visible with the heart but that's idealism and not reality.

Smito

07 Sep 2008 17:16

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Once again you prove there is no reason for you to reason. That is a huge problem for any debate you choose (for no reason) to be involved in.

justsumguy

07 Sep 2008 17:35

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"Smito, just think about the point you are always making. You are making the point (over and over) that there is no reason. It's just a big blob of reality. You repeatedly insist there is no point. There is no answer.
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I'm sorry but i fail to see where i made that point in this debate. The point i said was that right and wrong are relative not that there wasn't a point. That makes me think that maybe you are just looking for my debates and stating that i make the same point in every one.

"if there is no answer, it is stupid to ponder the question. Is it right for a vanilla corporation to be inside a galloping bowling ball? Ok...start the debate with, What's the point? There is no solution."

So basically what your saying is that i said theres never a answer? Weird because what I say is that most answers are relative and that an answer is not set in stone. How would i know if theres no answer? I might say somethign "Whats the point in that" But how am i saying that theres no answer to that. If one does not think one cannot understand. "Is it right for a vanilla corporation to be inside a galloping bowling ball?" Im a bit lost on what you mean here. If you mean is it wrong to have a building to be inside a bowling ball then i have NO idea what your talking about. If were talking about some metaphor then your going to have to explain it to me. 
"Ok...start the debate with, What's the point? There is no solution" This matters on what scale your talking about. If your talking about yourself and your life then im sure theres plenty of reason to do something if it benefits you. The problem is though that if im talking about what helps the universe as a whoel instead of what helps something in it as a indivdual whats the reasoning in the individual doing what they do?

"Why do humans reason?" To understand their world. Do you get it yet? Comon you can do it. "THEIR WORLD". AKA relative to them. Not to the universe TO THEM. I prefer to see the universe also though and not blind myself to just the human race.

All you have told me is that you cant seem to comphrend what i'm talking about.

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"You consider humans to be confined to universal reasoning" Really i dont ever remember saying that? I said thats one way of thinking but i didnt say the only way now did i?

"When you say human you are confining your definition to this universe."
I am yet to find another universe.

"You are excluding the subjective human from reasoning based on the universe not being subjective."
 "If your talking about yourself and your life then im sure theres plenty of reason to do something if it benefits you."
please dont attempt to put words in my mouth.

"I see understanding humans relative to eternity. Slighty more encompassing than your view" If eternity exists? Can you show me any evidence that you will live happy in heaven for ever or that  the world/universe will never end.

So far justsumguy you've only proved to me that you attempt to make yourself look better by attempting to change my words.

"God gave me my life, on this earth; to live. To move. To have my Being - Existence. And to love a man and to love my offspring, and those whom He sends across my pathway." i guess that's you opinion and everyones allowed to their opinion.

"No one gave me my existence;life, and no one, I repeat, NO ONE, can take it away.
I will live as long as my God and Father and creator of ALL things, permits/allows/wants me to.
And when my life is expired, I will live on.....in the hearts and minds of those who I have LOVED: I will be gone....but never forgotten" 
I cant tell if yoru being serious here as a counter example so i am refraining from my sarcastic comments. Most of  that seemed to be the words of someone whos insecure about their existance and have to state that they cannot die and that they will be remembered, both untrue. Im going to guess the top one is you scorpion aye?

Nice day to you tooo, Scorpion 
Have fun

That's saying that being subjective is the correct way to perceive things. And that's wrong I'm afraid.

Balance_92

02 Sep 2008 13:18

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Excluding subjectivity from perception is DEFINITETY silly.

justsumguy

07 Sep 2008 17:50

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