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The Concept Of Luck Is Atheism's Answer To God
While I understand that the statement is fundamentally flawed because atheists don't worship luck, we do still use it to explain events that defy the odds, whereas theists say it is the intervention of their respective deity. Typically, theists pray and atheists wish each other good luck. Is there a direct comparison?
 Jakers  09 Jun 2008 00:24
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Life is all chance, that's either luck or bad-luck depending on which side of it you are on.
 
 eelmonkey  03 Aug 2008 07:38
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You make a good point that the superstitious impulse appears to be deeply ingrained in all of us. Even those who, with their intellect, reject overarching supernatural explanations for things, still sometimes find themselves drawn to more petty supernatural beliefs.

Even I, as an atheist, feel that I will never be fully able to escape the consequences of my early childhood conditioning to supernatural beliefs. I imagine religion is still prevalent enough in our culture that most atheists are, in fact, lapsed religionists. It would be interesting to see how children raised as atheists view the world : Whether non-religious supernatural beliefs have any more or less appeal to them.

The psychological impulse which leads people to embrace both religion and a belief in luck is essentially the same : Fear that we are mere insignificant creatures afloat on a sea of randomness, buffeted by forces beyond our control.
 
 Hidell  09 Jun 2008 11:00
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I sort of agree, you have already stated in your opener why it is not a religion.

What I see time and time again everywhere, not just on this site, is people misunderstanding luck, probability and coincidence. Some put down extremely unlikely events down to proof of god without understanding that the most unlikely thing to happen is that extremely unlikely things never happen. (I think that makes sense).

Here is a little tester I read recently that so many fail to grasp: If I had a dice that was weighted so it was 25% more likely to fall on a 6 which of these two outcomes would be more likely:-

2,4,6,1,3,5
2,4,6,1,3,5,6

It is not unusual for people to get this wrong.

Another one:- If you flip a coin 5 times which of these two outcomes is most likely.

HTTHT
HHHHH

Just watch "Deal or No Deal" on TV to see how little people understand about probability. Frequently the same ones who believe in superstition and supernatural forces.
 
 StBalders  09 Jun 2008 10:14
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 Statistics say that most statistics are wrong.
by  XieXie
 14 Jun 2008 20:52
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I would agree with this. Atheist even believe everything came about by luck.
 
 codeman  09 Jun 2008 00:39
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 Is there anything particularly wrong with that belief system?
by  Jakers
 09 Jun 2008 00:40
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Your argument isn't as stupid as creationism, but still pretty dumb. Luck is just as supernatural and superstitious as gods and fairies, and most references to it are cultural, implying no belief at all.
 
 bunbun  15 Feb 2009 06:57
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It's manner of speaking hoping that the person does good in something. I'm atheist and I use oh god as figure of speech.
 
 Balance_92  17 Aug 2008 14:34
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Well, I believe in God, and sometimes also use the word "good luck" too: I do not feel that is inconsistent.
Words are descriptive means of implying states of being and experiences most precisely.
Luck is kinda verbage these days in a manner of speaking.
Faith is without need for further commentary;self-explanatory.
 
 Scorpion  05 Jul 2008 02:29
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 Verbage?
by  Jakers
 05 Jul 2008 21:53
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Agreed please do stereotype that we all greet eachother with luck. Also goodluck is just a figure of speech meaning i hope you do well in your endevors.
 
 Smito  02 Jul 2008 06:13
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Please do not put words or thoughts in other's mouths. Simply because you don't understand what natural selection means, or is all about, and need an implausible explanation of your own to explain things, doesn't give you the right to misrepresent those that disagree with you. One more time: Evolutionary process and Natural selection have NOTHING whatsoever to do with luck. If you knew a thing about it, instead of simply reacting defensively, you might give yourself the opportunity to learn that.
 
 Melissa_A  29 Jun 2008 06:42
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 I don't know why you are taking such an aggressive tone. I have not put my words into other peoples' mouths, it is simply a statement open for discussion. What possible misrepresentation is present in that explanation? Please, enlighten me. I know an aweful lot about natural selection and evolution actually, but I fail to see where they are relevant. And, finally, by definition, an insult or attack would be required for someone to act defensively. What am I supposed to be defending by starting this debate hmm? You seem to think I am either a) Christian or b) stupid, and I can assure you, I am neither. Stop being so condescending.
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 01 Jul 2008 10:39
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I hear what you're saying, but I don't even think of luck as luck. Just as another example of the law of big numbers paying off.
 
 OzzieMan  09 Jun 2008 18:31
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 Completely fair.
by  Jakers
 01 Jul 2008 10:40
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As the saying goes, "Luck is when preparation meets opportunity."

There is only random chance, but when one makes the effort to minimize things that could go wrong (also called work, something the religious want to avoid), events are more likely to go in one's favour.

The religious, on the other hand, expect prayer to be the solution and they themselves depend on luck.
 
 K9  09 Jun 2008 04:51
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 Why do just the religious want to avoid work? What does religion and work have to do with anything? Or is it that you can't post anything about religion without getting personal?
by  codeman
 09 Jun 2008 05:18
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"luck" is not an explanation of events that defy the odds - "luck" is perfectly within the odds - the odds don't say when a "winning" combination of events will occur just the probability that out of so many possibilities it will occur - Schroedinger's Cat - physics can very accurately predict the decay of an isotope but cannot predict at all which specific electron will be lost -
 
 hatrack49  09 Jun 2008 03:38
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 And what are the odds of something coming from nothing?
by  codeman
 09 Jun 2008 03:46
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