Jesus Christ's Resurrection Is A Fantastic Fact

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Jesus' resurrection is one of the most fantastic facts in history or is it one of the most wicked, heartless hoaxes ever foisted upon the minds of the Faithful?

LordDaniel

12 Apr 2009 13:21

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It is fact if you believe in the bible, just as with anything you read you really don't know if it is true unless you where there. I mean everything you read nothing is fact unless you believe the author if you where not there you can not prove it. Every book you read may say it is fact and even give you accounts and records of events but it still means nothing unless you believe in the author so if you think about it most everything is based off faith.
Faith is what almost everything is based off of anyways.
I believe it is true and I have faith that the bible is true and the accountability given from the authors. The bible give fact that has been proven from historical records and it is proven fact that Jesus did exist, if history and records has proven so many facts from the bible why would you not trust the authors? There is no reason not to trust them, unless you choose not to because you do not believe in the authors.

stomp65

14 Apr 2009 02:08

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Yes, it is factual.

gottfried

12 Apr 2009 23:34

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Historically, it's not.

Hizashi

13 Apr 2009 00:48

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I love Jesus best.

jalapenos

12 Apr 2009 16:39

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You love your gardener?

Cephus

13 Apr 2009 16:20

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I don't know if it really happened or not but I'll choose to believe it because I'd rather live in a world where he did it than if he didn't.

Looking at it objectively, however, there are many stories from many cultures from many centuries about people or gods either coming back from the dead in physical form or as ghosts or simply in an afterlife we don't see. The dead not being penultimately dead is an ancient theme. Frankly it's not so unique a claim.

But in the end, yes, it's either a fantastic fact or a tall tale people keep falling for.

Grenache

12 Apr 2009 15:21

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It is an amazing theory. I wouldn't use the word "Fact" though.

Amatsu

12 Apr 2009 13:59

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If it is a hoax, then Joseph Alios Ratzinger and Co. Are committing one of the biggest frauds in history.

LordDaniel

12 Apr 2009 13:25

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And how might Joseph and company profit from this fraud?

gottfried

13 Apr 2009 05:23

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Read all of the texts in the bible, and those taken out. The farther from the "date" it happened, the more fantastic the "facts became". Some of the older gospels, taken out by the catholic church, don't even mention the resurrection. Paul doesn't mention it either, except for a few non-almost-sequiturs that very well could have been added. He never focuses on it, however. And he wrote whole rants on the miracles of Jesus, too.
Anyway- does resurrection actually matter? Yeshua (hebrew name for jesus. Did you know that? That jesus is actually Joshua?) Was a pretty nice guy. He got killed for saying "Hey, you hippocrites. If you are gonna worship a God, Be nice to eachother." That is what is important about Jesus's ministry. Not the miracle of "Virgin" birth (the word taken for Virgin actually means "Young"). Not for healing the lame, not for resurection. But this: We all are living beings. Be nice to one another.
If you don't get that, you aren't christian

minimac

14 Apr 2009 17:19

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As usual, LD brings us a retarded debate.

If the resurrection is a fact, then it will be proven...objectively to those who believe. Some would say it will be proven to all but it has also been suggested that others would see the objective proof as being some sort of hallucination.

If it is a fact, there is nothing fantastic about it. Big deal. The Son of God walked around 3 days after dying. You're joking right? Real tough. If God created all of this, you peoples "fantastic" miracles are downright hilarious.

It's totally missing the point. There's something fantastic about it but I'm not going to throw the pearls before swine.

Lol (I've been waiting to say that...it's so in your face)

The option is goofy. Hoax on the faithful? As opposed to what? Dying and becoming one with universal energy? Haha Whoopee!

There's definitely a hoax going on...try again Lord Doofus.

justsumguy

14 Apr 2009 03:39

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So by voting on this side JSG you are stating that there is definitely a wicked hoax going on?

LordDaniel

14 Apr 2009 09:02

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Daniel, there are just as many Muslims in the world and growing faster than Christianity.  So you think i'ts believable because there are a lot of Christians in the world is the poorest form of logic i've ever heard.  :"True by consensus"  LOL.   It's also funny how you discount the Jews whose story Christians stole for their own.  LOL..  Plus much of your religion was spread from the tip of a sword not from the speaking kind words during the age of Imperialism and colonization.  It did not have the ability to spread by its own merits of so called, goodness.

King Charlemagne played a pivotal role in spreading your belief.  He played a strong role of insuring you were a Christian. If you did not accept, instant death. If you refuse to get baptized, death. If you practice another religion, death. Thousands of people died because of him while spreading the faith. He had two focuses, expand his conquest to what is now all of Europe and force Christianity on non believers.

No surprise the behavior of the colonist. They learned it from a master.

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The popularity of an idea doesn’t make the idea factual. That’s why I don’t accept your reasoning as being sensible. It assumes that the popularity of Jesus’ resurrection makes it factual. It doesn’t. I don’t care if the entire world believes Jesus’ resurrection to be factual. That doesn’t make it so. The existence of Christianity doesn’t provide a basis of evidence for the resurrection, or existence, of Jesus either. It doesn’t matter how many Christians there are in the world. That will never be evidence of anything other than how many Christians there are in the world. What you’re proposing isn’t objective evidence of any kind. You’re going to have to do way better than that if you’re going to convince me of something Daniel. What you’ve offered isn’t a perfect example of factual evidence. It’s a perfect example of guessing. Keep in mind we’re not debating about whether or Jesus existed. We’re debating about whether or not his resurrection is historically factual.

I can’t offer your evidence, or “proof”, that Jesus didn’t exist. You can’t provide evidence for a negative. There’s no way to prove someone, or something, doesn’t exist. I can, however, present you with reasons why I don’t accept the resurrection of Jesus as a historical fact. One reason being that no documented source that speaks of the resurrection, or Jesus in particular, was even written within the same century of which Jesus supposedly lived and died. The Gospels themselves weren’t written until about two hundred years after the death of Christ. It’s difficult for me to believe that such a miraculous event, and person, wasn’t written about by anyone until a few hundred years after he died. I mean, no one in the Gospels could have been a direct witness to Jesus, or anything he did, because none of them were alive when he was. The same goes for sources outside of Christianity as well. No one who was alive during the time Jesus supposedly lived ever wrote about him, despite there being many known historians that existed during that time around where Jesus is claimed to have been and gone.

Hizashi, translated from Japanese, means “sunlight” or “rays of the Sun” by the way.

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Daniel, are you being stupid on purpose? Because you’re not making hardly any sense. Nothing you’ve offered can be considered historical evidence. That’s the whole point I’m trying to get across here. I don’t care how clever your allegorical analogy is, how many Christians there are in the world, or how many people accept Jesus’ resurrection as being factual. None of that is historical evidence of any kind. Not even a little. We had a nice debate that last time, but this time you’re just acting weird. I can’t take you seriously when you’re throwing around ridiculous arguments like the ones I’m seeing now. And please stop already with the “is it something you’ve read?” garbage, because that also makes no sense as an argument against anything. If it weren’t for something you’ve read (the Bible) you wouldn’t know about Jesus in the first place. If it weren’t for something someone read, no one would know much of anything. If it weren’t for you reading this post, you wouldn’t know to respond at all. That’s a stupid argument against something. If this is all you’re going to do then I’m not going to take you seriously, because your arguments are so absurd that I’m not even sure you’re being serious.

It is neither, that's why you have faith , it's the whole point you don't know weather its fact or fiction. It's simply faith

muin13

13 Apr 2009 16:47

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It is not a historical fact, there is no genuine evidence supporting any such resurrection. Personally I believe that it is not true and rather it is fictional. That is just me, if it gives people hope then by all means they should hold onto that.

kddan

13 Apr 2009 11:24

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It's an entire fantasy. There is no evidence whatsoever that any of the events recorded in the resurrection stories are factually true, you can't even take the four accounts and make them agree with each other.

Cephus

13 Apr 2009 01:25

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Jesus’ resurrection isn’t a historical fact. Sorry Daniel. It doesn't have to be a hoax, but it definitely isn't factual as far as history goes.

Hizashi

13 Apr 2009 00:19

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Where is the source of the fact?

moreno

12 Apr 2009 23:01

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Well Jesus did exist. Read these testimonies and writings by Senece, Julius Africanus, Lucian the V, Tacitus. Flavius Josephus, Justin Martyr, Celsus who tried to disprove Jesus' credibility, and Thallus.

Thallus wrote that when him who was crucified, a ominous darkness surrounded the passover.

They all wrote about accounts about Jesus. They are credible, some were historians of the government at the time, Celsus was against Jesus, and did not deny his existence, but rather tried to disprove it.
These people wrote according to history, and were not in the bible. Now you cannot say I used the Bible to defend the Bible. The most powerful thing in the world is truth. And Truth can be backed up by testimony. And these people provided a testimony.

Jesus died. Why was he alive three days later?

gottfried

12 Apr 2009 23:34

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Oh wait I was trying to prove that Jesus did exist, that's mostly what i was aiming for. But supernatural things are supernatural, it makes it difficult to measure supernatural things with a physical measuring system. And it's not fair to say you won't believe someone's testimony just because it was too long ago for you when you claim a biological establishment of this life. You shouldn't trust that because it far outdates 2000 years (Hizashi). If you get what I mean.

And how do we know if Julius Caesar died in the Senate house? Well, Jesus performed many miraculous things in front of people. Not that human testimony is stronger than God's, but it means someone who is human can offer something us other people can maybe relate to. If certain facts are too shady for us to trust anything within 2000 years, how can we trust a theory under 4.5 billion years? It's almost a double edged sword. Of course Moreno, a historian has more credibility to validate sources, check into these guys. One of them is really critical of sources.

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all you have to do to be "wrong" (as defined by those in "power") is to be someone who is not there to kiss their @ss and have a strong independent sense of self and healthy pride: then suddenly you have many of those people who do not have any healthy sense of self try and take you down because of the lack that is within them not of any aleatory truthiness - if these persons who dislike you are in the positions where they can do you serious damage, you might find yourself in jail based on nothing more factual than the fact you refused to comply in kissing their @ss.

So it is innocent until accused of a "crime" which is not even based in any reality about YOU but is just some Assh*le not liking your style.
We come to the Law And Order 101 via the New World Order Globalists Society, lol
lol.

If you cross the powers that be, expect to be blackballed and tarred and feathered for no reason in truth whatever.
Injustice is The New World Order In-Justice System of doing things.

Any person of any sort of real decency in side of them has no chance in this type of in-justice environment whatsoever.
We should get back to the United States Constitution and Bill Of Rights or perish.

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The mythical cheezits is a crucial fiction for the demented and deluded.

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Gilbert sounds deluded and demented.

One cannot hate what does not exist, but it takes the deluded and demented - not to mention wilfully ignorant - so see it as "hate".

Consider it's dumbguy making the other comment, it's not much of an insult.

12 Apr 2009 13:57

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You sound like a hater.

gottfried

12 Apr 2009 23:26

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