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Intelligence Isn't Subject To One's Religious Or Spiritual Views.
Have you ever heard someone ignorant enough to say people who are religious are generally less intelligent than those who are not. I completely disagree to that. To find a sense of meaning requires a sense of intelligence. It requires a sense of thought, wonder, fear, hope, faith, admiration, or conclusively emotion. To be emotional is to be human. If religion is unintelligent, then emotions are, and thus humans are. I think to be religious is to be human, emotional, and intelligent.
 verum  21 Aug 2008 10:25
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You pick your own religion, I know who my God is, and who looks after me, do you people know who your God is?
 
 joe9  21 Aug 2008 19:08
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I too have seen studies that show that more intelligent people are less likely to believe in God. The problem is, what does that mean?

Maybe more intelligent people realize that it's not as simple as I do or I don't believe in God. Maybe they believe in something that is of their own making. Maybe they don't believe in God, but instead some other religious concept.

The point is, going up to someone and asking "Do you believe in God?" will show you next to nothing about their religious beliefs.
 
 sander  21 Aug 2008 18:41
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 Very good point!
by  verum
 21 Aug 2008 22:47
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You can be a rocket scientist and still believe in God. You can be an atheist and not know how to tie your shoes. Labeling either side - the religious or the atheists - less intelligent will accomplish nothing besides pissing one side off and shutting ears to further discussion.
 
 Grenache  21 Aug 2008 17:52
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I can't imagine children their parents or anyone else following a religion being less intelligent that those who don't. If anything I would say the opposite.
 
 keepmindok  21 Aug 2008 15:05
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It's true that some religous people make stupid comments and don't back them up, and all of you who are atheist and everything just judge us by those few and call us less intelligent. But you're wrong. People (encluding myself) who truely believe in God and live their whole life for him, we tend to get better grades. If anyone thinks i'm wrong, i dare you to comment on this.
 
 im_trumpet  21 Aug 2008 14:31
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 I can't say you are wrong, but test have shown that people who learn a musical instrument do better also. I wonder how many religious students also play a musical instrument?
by  keepmindok
 21 Aug 2008 15:03
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I think you can be clever and religous. I also think you can be clever and atheist. Whether you have a religion or not is just one decision you make. You can get one, two, five, or ten decisions wrong and still be intelligent.
 
 Sanareth  21 Aug 2008 12:12
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No, but one's religious views are subject to their intelligence.
 
 chaew  21 Aug 2008 23:33
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 Thank you for your pursuasive input.
by  verum
 24 Sep 2008 19:42
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I will start by saying that to be religious does not mean lack of intellegence. That would be a daft thing to say. Cephus never said that by the way. So maybe I should be on the other side of this argument because the title stipulated that it isn't SUBJECT to ones religious views. But here I am on the against side. I have met many people who are religious and smart, many who aren't. I have never met an athiest who is dumb, not one. So on average, if it is possible to define intelligence, I have to be on this side of the debate.

Based purely on observation generally, and from reading many comments on this site as an example of that, the average mentality of the theist is lower than that of the Athiest/agnostic. Look at some of the "does god exist?" debates and tell me that is not so. The more fundamental the views the less educated the person, not always but generally.

You say that to believe in a god requires thought and wonder. Maybe in some cases but so often it is quite the reverse. God is a very easy answer to big big questions. To follow the thought that god doesn't exist opens so much more for the mind to ponder. Why are we here? "God did it, it's in the bible". That is the easy answer that requires so little thought. To question religion and all that comes with it and search for the real truth for why and how we are here takes an intellegent mind. The answers are far more incredible and mind blowingly wonderful as well.

I don't have stats to back this up, mostly through sheer laziness, but I have read that of the registered scientists a very very tiny percentage consider themselves to be religious/spiritual. That says something to me.
 
 Mosschops  21 Aug 2008 23:19
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 Why are we here? "God did it, it's in the bible"
Not every religious person believes that. I'm going to quote sander here. "
Maybe more intelligent people realize that it's not as simple as I do or I don't believe in God. Maybe they believe in something that is of their own making. Maybe they don't believe in God, but instead some other religious concept" That sentence alone can speak for me and i'm certain it can speak for others. I consider my self religious, but I don't limit my thoughts upon my religious views. I believe in the true nature of God, Love those around you and be loved by others. But my views on many other bewildering questions are more based on science, theory and logic. Yet i'm still religious.

"I have never met an atheist who is dumb," Look harder, there are plenty.
by  verum
 21 Aug 2008 23:36
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You can disagree all you like but the research backs it up. There are more than a dozen studies that have been done over the past 100 years that conclusively show a negative correlation between intelligence/education and religiousity. While that doesn't say that every theist is stupid by any means, it shows that in very general terms, the higher your IQ and the more educated you are, the less likely you are to be a theist and those that are theistic tend to be much more liberal theists.

Fundamentalism doesn't survive education in most cases.
 
 Cephus  21 Aug 2008 15:16
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 Actually I don't doubt at all that there are studies showing a link. And I do believe the further one goes in education the more selective or exclusionary they become about which religious views they still find acceptable if any. My own religious views, which started as typical Catholic, evolved during my college years and beyond. But as I say in the other column you're probably just going to shut the ears of the religious with this type of observation.

The other important thing to keep in mind is religion helps people cope with adversity - loss, poverty, hunger, oppression, etc. - and generally the part of the population in most need of the compassion and hope from religion is also the part which has the lower education and thus suffers from those adversities. If the educated half of society does NOT want to see the religious half pushing policies and agendas Pro-God then a good place to start is to make sure everyone is fed and housed and able to take care of themselves so they'll put their trust in their nation instead of asking for miracles. One could argue in fact that the explosion of fundamental Christian beliefs in this country had a direct time correlation with the expanding rift between the rich upper class and everyone else over the last 20 years. Coincidence? I don't think so.
by  Grenache
 21 Aug 2008 18:01
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