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In Science, The Term “theory” Does Not Translate To “opinion” Or “speculation”.
In the scientific community, the word “theory” is defined as “a set of analyzed facts, principles, or propositions used to explain certain phenomenon”. A scientific theory must also be capable of predicting future occurrences concerning the same phenomenon mentioned within the theory itself. In the science “hierarchy”, a theory is actually at the top (above facts and hypotheses). This misunderstanding is often exploited, mainly by Intelligent Design proponents, in an attempt to undermine scientific theories like evolution.
 Hizashi  01 Sep 2008 03:55
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So what you're saying is that scientific laws, accepted principals, come from theories. And that theories come from facts and that facts are, in term, that which make up yet another law and therefore lead us to critical thinking, which lead us to a hypothesis and thus lead us to an experiment and thus lead us to data and thus lead us to a theory and thus can be formed into a scientific law...

Fact.
Hypothesis.
Experiment.
Collect Data.
Form Theory.
And the next step up would be law, whether or not that theory becomes a law, or not.

Hm?
 
 Genkaku  04 Oct 2008 10:43
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You left out the full description of a Theory. In order to qualify it’s got to be used to accurately predict a preponderance of related data that will be found through research or experimentation.
 
 finsch  01 Sep 2008 08:48
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 I figured the basic definition would do. But I suppose putting the rest in there couldn't hurt.
by  Hizashi
 01 Sep 2008 08:51
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Those who say other than the proper definition of theory usually fall into one of two categories:

(a) Those too ignorant to understand that their ideologies and mythologies are not theories.

(b) Those too dishonest to admit that their ideologies and mythologies are not theories.

The first group are the growing number of uneducated morons who aren't capable of fathoming even the most basic rational arguments. The second group are liars who want money and power and will tell any lie to get it.
 
 K9  01 Sep 2008 05:06
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I agree, well said.

I would think most theories are facts.

Like the theory of our circulatory system in which states; veins bring blood to our heart, and arteries flow blood away from our heart. In reality, this is a fact.

You just can't see it with the naked eye.
 
 verum  01 Sep 2008 04:06
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 Subjects like evolution are both fact and theory. The fact of evolution being that organisms change over time and the theory being the explanation for that phenomenon. Gravity is also a fact and a theory. The fact of gravity being that some force holds us on Earth and Einstein’s Theory of General Relativity explaining that occurrence. In my opinion, claiming evolution is not real is no different from claiming gravity isn’t. But, of course, who would dare make the claim "Gravity is only a theory and not a fact"?
by  Hizashi
 01 Sep 2008 04:21
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Theory is indicative of unproven idea.
Opinion is what you think.
Fact is what reality says it is and is proven.
Speculation is what you do in the stock market every morning;-)
 
 Scorpion  04 Sep 2008 03:02
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 Wrong column?
by  verum
 04 Sep 2008 03:07
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Sorry Hizashi. I know what you're getting at but it's convoluted. Accepted theories usually have sets of facts which are used but fall short of putting the entire theory together...at which point the theory would become a fact.

In some cases, these sets of facts end up being wrong as a set. What was thought to be a set of facts which proved "that" ended up being 2 sets of facts which prove "this".

I'm truly sorry you are so frustrated with "creationists". I don't really think they're that big a deal. People trying to preserve "christianity" in the secular world makes no sense. So it's not surprising they make no sense. But to argue with them on your grounds is going nowhere.

You should have me debate against their claims. See. I can debate against them in their world. Based on their beliefs. Easy as pie.
 
 justsumguy  01 Sep 2008 06:59
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 No theory in science is 100 percent accurate with no possible exception of anything within it being wrong, if that’s what you’re implying the problem is. One of the “Golden Rules” in science is that all theories must be falsifiable. If it’s not falsifiable it’s not science. The reason one theory may end up proving “this” instead of “that” is because new knowledge is always being brought to the table. Gaining as much objective knowledge as possible about the natural world by taking in as many possibilities as can be is what science is about. Even so, I’m not sure why whether or not a set of facts proves “this” or “that” effects the topic of this debate, which was the definition of “theory” in the realm of science. With that said, I'm not sure why you disagreed with the debate. Also, I'm better at battling creationists and Intelligent Design proponents on a scientific ground rather than a religious one. I'll handle the scientific claims and you can take on the philosophical ones if you'd like (we'd be here all year if I were to make debates about all their claims anyway).
by  Hizashi
 01 Sep 2008 07:28
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Some times people confuse me they don't believe in faith but fact when you have to have just as much faith in religion
 
 bre  01 Sep 2008 06:03
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 What?
by  Hizashi
 01 Sep 2008 06:13
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A scientific theory is never "above" a scientific law.

But the word "theory" is used differently by scientists than by laypeople. There can be an "established" theory within the community, while something can be "just" a theory outside of it.

So maybe I should be posting this on the other side, but it seemed lonely over here...
 
 grokit  01 Sep 2008 05:29
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 You're right. Looking back at it now, it does sound a little strange the way I worded the debate's description. Come to think of it, the phrase "scientific fact" really isn't appropriate either, as an objective fact need not be scientific. I'm going to reword that part. And yes, it does look like your post belongs on the other side.
by  Hizashi
 01 Sep 2008 06:11
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