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If You Are Anti-abortion, You Cannot Vote Democratic
Folks who are anti-abortion typically say that they believe that abortion is taking the life of an innocent human person. People who are anti-abortion, but say, they do not want to interfere with someone else's right to choose, are saying, I believe it is wrong to murder an innocent human person but do not want to interfere with someone else's right to murder an innocent human person. This does not make sense and is an atrocity of thinking.
 charlee  25 Sep 2008 01:58
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Not enough room above so here is the rest: The Democratic party has as a fundamental plank in their platform the right to choose to murder an innocent human person; therefore, if one is thinking clearly he or she cannot vote Democratic no matter what the other issues may be.
 
 charlee  25 Sep 2008 01:58
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 This is called a hate debate. It consists of one angry or radical stereotypist who feels hes always right about the group he talks about if though he refuses to be one them them. This is a entirely mature way to get a point across.
by  Smito
 25 Sep 2008 08:06
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That presupposes that the only reason to be against abortion is because you think a few cells is murder. I personally am against abortion because it’s emotionally and physically traumatic on many levels for one thing. And if a situation comes up where it is my choice (biologically unlikely) that will be the choice I make. Of course the other glaring fault in your reasoning is suggesting you have any right to dictate someone else’s choices and reasoning.
 
 finsch  13 Oct 2008 17:12
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Charlee,
It is my strong belief that God gave man freewill to choose and decide for him/her self, the direction they want to take in life's journey. That right of choice includes reproductive rights. How I choose to exercise my reproductive rights is non of you or any body's business.

A personal question for you:
How many unwanted pregnancies have you volunteered to finance?

In my opinion, it is immoral to be against the right of choice in pro-creation and be against social welfare or what you fellows like to call entitlements. I may choose to terminate a pregnancy because I do not fell I can adequately take care of the pregnancy or the child when it is born.

People like you support the fetus and abandon the child.
People must be able to choose to procreate or not to. That is their God given right.
 
 OkeyMor57  13 Oct 2008 16:51
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You can vote however you want no matter what your position on abortion is.
 
 ur_wrong  03 Oct 2008 23:36
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Everybody is joking right?

The point is, charlee is wrong. There are VERY few people who say individual choice trumps killing an innocent person.

THE DEBATE IS WHETHER OR NOT IT IS A PERSON. PERIOD.

There are debates on this site over and over and over about God and existence.

There are people all over this site who refuse to acknowledge the validity of the spiritual or subjective human. They can't even define existence.

To ban all killing of life is to ban almost everything. The question is when is it a person? Some believe at the moment of conception. Great. Some believe later.

Since this is a FACT..A FACT....A FACT...do you freaking understand what I said is a FACT. People believe differently. A FACT. Get it through your heads.

Since this is a fact....it has to be left to individual choice.

Don't get me wrong. If an anti-choicer takes over the world...they can outlaw it. They can force no choice. If a pro-choicer take over the world...they can allow people to make the choice.

The abortion arguments are just like the god arguments...they are stupid. Over and over and over saying things that do not have anything to do with the real question.

When's the rape example coming? I can't wait for the stupidity to be drawn out.
 
 justsumguy  25 Sep 2008 22:34
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 I think you hit the nail on the head, by saying, "THE DEBATE IS WHETHER OF NOT IT IS A PERSON". I certainly would agree that people disagree about this issue and it is a fact that they disagree--so what? Why do you think that disagreement about an issue means there is no truth to one side or another. People disagree whether there is life on Mars or not. Since they disagree, does this mean there is no truth in the matter? Which abortion arguments are stupid?
by  charlee
 25 Sep 2008 23:31
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It is a woman's body, not a mans.

Men should have ZERO say when it comes to a woman's choosing.

Do I think that it is wrong, it depends on the situation.

If a woman was raped and became pregnant is it fair for her to carry that baby?

Or what about a young girl, maybe 12 or 13 becoming pregnant and it's the girl or the infant?

Using abortion as a way of Birth Control because your boyfriend Hank couldn't wrap it up, you're going to slaughter the birth. That is murder and especially you wait until the second trimester.
 
 summa07  25 Sep 2008 22:23
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 'ZERO' say Huh? except of course when it comes to supporting the child...

That is a fathers responsibility of course but the above statement shows just one of the hypocricies of the 'choice' movement. What if the father does not want the child, but the mother does. If she chooses to have the child, shouldn't that remove the fathers responsibility to support the baby?
by  Bugman
 25 Sep 2008 22:47
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First, I believe the woman has a right to choose. Even though I would not personally choose to have an abortion I do not think the government has a right to tell a woman what she has to do with her own body.

I also believe anyone can vote for any candidate of any party for any reason (even if they like their hairdo) and that negates your central claim that they simply can't vote democratic.

Furthermore it's a two party system but you can't drill down to the fine details of what 350,000,000 people think by dividing it just into two camps. What your argument tries to do is to label all Democrats as pro-abortion and all Republicans as anti-abortion, that's far too simplistic, it's not even close to accurate, and it's not going to work if we try to do that for every major social issue as being either all one party or all the other.
 
 Grenache  25 Sep 2008 21:49
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 Grenache- Consider this: What about the fathers right to choose? What if he wants the baby? Also, what if he does not want the baby but she "chooses" to have it? Should he be required to support it?

Aside from the fact that a mother killing her own baby is an abomination, their are the other inequities noone ever seems to discuss.

Hope you are well.
by  Bugman
 25 Sep 2008 22:07
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Your mistake is saying they cannot. A person can be completely anti abortion or any other stuff and guess what? You cant say anything about what they do
 
 Smito  25 Sep 2008 08:04
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 You're right that I cannot say "cannot" in the context you are speaking of. The context of my assertions is that "if one is thinking clearly, he or she cannot vote Democratic".
by  charlee
 25 Sep 2008 17:35
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It's the same exact thing as saying that Gay marriage isn't right. The government shouldnt have any business in anyone's homes or their bedrooms. I think that abortion and any other controversies should be kept and left to the people. So political parties should have nothing to do with those things.
 
 alex34  25 Sep 2008 03:47
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 I think you would have to agree that murdering an innocent human person and homosexuality (which is very much tolerated) are miles a part in degree of immorality.
by  charlee
 25 Sep 2008 17:36
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