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I live in Texas, and we don't bring knives to a gun fight |
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I agree. Knives are not required, especially by children. It is legal to carry a knife in the US,
and not surprisingly, knife fights are becoming all too common. Often, contestants are mutilated as
a result. Here are just a few, with firearms tied in, as well:
This were the works of young adults, in which had knives and such. The reports are from:
Http://www.law.cornell.edu/usca/search/index.html?query=knife&scope=all |
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At present so many youngsters are out of control in the UK, they carry all manner of weapons, knives
being the most popular. The problem of stabbings would disappear overnight if they didn't carry a
knife in the first place, for obvious reasons. There was a recent incident when the police boarded
a bus and searched the kids on the top deck and found loads of weapons on them.
At present they never get charged with anything more than community service. It is simple. Throw
the book at them and make an example, if you knew that by carrying a knife you would get 5 years
inside you wouldn't carry one. No knives, no stabbings. This is basics, yet the liberal elite who
run this country and don't live in the affected areas think they know better. How do they sleep at
night?
Unfortunately this would require more jail cells and labour has refused to build any. The criminals
know this and so there is no deterrent. They are laughing at us. |
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No, they would all turn in to police stabbings overnight. |
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In some communities actually not having a knife makes you a target i.e. Not a person who is going to
stand up for themselves.
Carrying a knife is a victimless crime, and like all other victimless crimes, should not be
illegal.
It would be impossible to get all knives off the streets, just like it is impossible to get all
drugs off the streets. Instead the criminals, who are highly adaptive to new laws, highlight the
failures of our police.
When are people going to realize that constantly making laws is not the answer to the problem. The
problem originates in a wider problem i.e. A culture in which teenagers are so disillusioned that
they feel the need to join gangs, stab each other and take drugs.
Part of the problem is how we react to it, up to now we have been showing the teenagers fear by
introducing new laws and also with the constant media coverage. They feed off this reaction, after
all, part of the gang mentality is "respect through fear" and this what they are being shown.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty
nor safety." This is one of the values any liberal society is built on, when we trade liberty for
safety we are letting them win. |
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Erm that wouldn't work we would just have over crowed prisons(because everyone carries knifes) which
we have already. Then even if Knife crime secied gun crime will just shoot up. Then something will
replace that or just like we have seen with illegal drugs, an illegal trade of arms will spring up
over night, which will probably run by gangs, which will cause more and even worse trouble. |
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If you ban knives, guns will replace knives in less than a day. If you ban guns and knives,
something else will replace these arms in the hands of those who feel the need for armed protection
or attack.
There are just too many weapons of all kinds on earth, period. |
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Unless the search program was massively and consistently intensive and invasive, it would have only
a limited effect. There are ways to secrete knives on the person so that they would become difficult
to find. Even then, guys would get their girlfriends or sisters to carry their knives for them. Are
the police going to be doing intensive body searches on teenage girls every day? If so, this would
soon give rise to massive protests from their parents.
This would be a complete waste of police resources and would also be wrong in principle, in my view.
I'm old-fashioned enough to think that crimes should have victims. Simply carrying something with
you, whether it's a drug or a weapon, should not be a crime. There is no victim. If a weapon is used
unlawfully to assault or kill someone, then we have a victim. That crime should be prosecuted.
Carrying weapons itself - whether knives, guns, spears or whatever - should be completely legal in
my opinion. People have a right to defend themselves. In fact, it is the most basic of all human
rights. To deprive people of the means of defending themselves, and say that they will be defended
by the police instead, when the police are never there when needed, is one of the cardinal outrages
of modern civilisation.
Weapons are levellers. They allow the weak to stand up against the strong, women to stand up against
men, the solitary individual to stand up against the mob, the karate black belt to stand up against
the street-fighter (joke). Carrying a weapon should be a moral duty, perhaps even one prescribed by
law.
I think your support for random police searches would quickly disappear if you were ever subjected
to them yourself. Citizens should be left to go about their business unless the police have
reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed. Bolstering police power in this way is
dangerous and would lead to the abuses of the kind we see in America where innocent citizens are
shot or tasered to death every day because they weren't deferential enough to the goon in uniform
who just came back from Iraq and got a new job with the police department. |
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Wow... Sounds like you're having the same problem over there with knives that we're having over here
with guns!
"Blades don't kill people... PEOPLE kill people."
While I'm generally for weapons control, I think you need to differentiate between knives which are
weapons and knives which are tools. Jail people for butterfly knives and stilettoes, sure. But your
measure as written would also jail boy scouts, scuba divers, packers and shippers, outdoorsmen,
electricians, and anyone who was given a Swiss Army knife for Father's Day. |
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People in jail don't have any knives, supposedly. They get searched and still stabbings go on all
the time. Clearly, taking the knives away isn't the answer. When I was in school along time ago, we
were having riots in our country and police would search our school lockers and find every kind of
weapon imaginable. The only real help will come from meeting these people where they are......
Instead of fighting them and escalating the problem, finding out why this is going on and address
that problem. The the fight will be over. |
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Are youngsters the primary offenders? Is the problem really so big? Is possession of a knife a
crime?
I honestly don't know the answer to these questions, but i don't have a way of putting them out
there. For us search and seizure is a big constitutional deal, and if it is not done correctly the
whole offense is thrown out. |
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02 Jun 2008 16:59
